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    Aug 21, 2007, 12:46 PM
    What are two absolutes that exist in eternity and never change?
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    Aug 21, 2007, 01:30 PM
    Death and Taxes
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    Aug 21, 2007, 01:31 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Emland
    Death and Taxes
    Sorry, both involve change.:)
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    Aug 21, 2007, 01:36 PM
    I was going to say Nothing and Forever. No matter what changes, nothing isn't going to include it anyway. If you believe in Christianity, and god destroys the universe, he can create something else. Forever is as long as anything does, will, and has existed. If you don't believe in Christianity, then if the universe dies out, we could have a big crunch, and then another big bang. Again, forever would be a timeline that includes this. I suppose that could change as time progresses, but the MEANING stays the same.

    I guess you could also argue that the past doesn't change. That is, unless you find a way to go back in time.

    Maybe I got one of the two? I'm no philosipher.
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    Aug 21, 2007, 01:39 PM
    Death and time which are mututally inclusive.
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    Aug 21, 2007, 01:47 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by retsoksirhc
    I was going to say Nothing and Forever. No matter what changes, nothing isn't going to include it anyways. If you believe in Christianity, and god destroys the universe, he can create somthing else. Forever is as long as anything does, will, and has existed. If you don't believe in Christianity, then if the universe dies out, we could have a big crunch, and then another big bang. Again, forever would be a timeline that includes this. I suppose that could change as time progresses, but the MEANING stays the same.

    I guess you could also argue that the past doesn't change. That is, unless you find a way to go back in time.

    Maybe I got one of the two? I'm no philosipher.
    Interesting thoughts you have. However, Nothing and Forever are concepts with-out objects, that is, they are not material objects. As far as the past, it does not still exist today.

    I will however concede you are technically accurate about, “Nothing, and forever” given that I did not qualify “Absolute” as being material objects.

    However by my meaning of absolutes your answers are not correct.

    Good thinking though on your part.
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    Aug 21, 2007, 01:49 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_crow
    Interesting thoughts you have. However, Nothing and Forever are concepts with-out objects, that is, they are not material objects. As far as the past, is does not still exist today.

    I will however concede you are technically accurate about, “Nothing, and forever” given that I did not qualify “Absolute” as being material objects.

    However by my meaning of absolutes your answers are not correct.

    Good thinking though on your part.
    Well, it was worth a try.

    Is this a riddle? It might be too hard for me, if it is.
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    Aug 21, 2007, 01:53 PM
    There are none according to Buddhism, but...

    How about Greed and Ignorance? :)
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    Aug 21, 2007, 01:57 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas1970
    There are none according to Buddhism, but...

    How about Greed and Ignorance? :)
    Greed and Ignorance are both subjective concepts which do change, and do not exist in the physical world.:)
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    Aug 21, 2007, 02:11 PM
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    Or space and matter?

    But I believe the only thing existing eternally would be the Almighty... ::), but that is not what you are asking Dark Crow, is it?
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    Aug 21, 2007, 03:02 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by firmbeliever
    (0) and ...

    or space and matter?

    But I believe the only thing existing eternally would be the Almighty...::), but that is not what you are asking Dark Crow, is it?
    O.K.- I'll give one and it should make the other easier. . It has survived untouched for many thousands of years and will survive to the end of time. The North Star i.e. Polaris which remains fixed in position. One fixed reference point in the heavens, which enables us to make sense of all other units of measure. If there were no fixed reference point, there could be no North, South, East or West.
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    Aug 21, 2007, 03:05 PM
    A star that survives until the end of time? I don't think so.
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    Aug 21, 2007, 03:07 PM
    Eternity means "time without end"... in reality, is there time without end??

    In monotheism/faith/belief, not reality, eternity *is believed* to exist as is a god who inhabits it.
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    Aug 21, 2007, 03:11 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    A star that survives until the end of time? I don't think so.
    You had better hope so, four billion people on earth would be in a constant state of confusion, and travel would be limited to a very short distance. And stand still, you look as nervous as a whore in church.:)
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    Aug 21, 2007, 03:14 PM
    I'm going to have to agree with NK. And without Polaris, the earth would still have a north south east and west. They are based on the magnetic field the planet is in. Except for true north, which is marked by Polaris. This DID change, though, as long ago, the celestial marker for true north was a star called Thuban.

    Also, if you're talking about the north star itself, it does change. It's location changes, it's mass changes, it emits energy by giving off light. I'm not sure what type of star it is, but I'm sure the chemical makeup of it also changes.
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    Aug 21, 2007, 03:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Choux
    Eternity means "time without end"....in reality, is there time without end???

    In monotheism/faith/belief, not reality, eternity *is believed* to exist as is a god who inhabits it.
    Don’t wax philosophical on me now sweet cheeks, eternity is really long, especially near the end.:)
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    Aug 21, 2007, 03:19 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_crow
    You had better hope so, four billion people on earth would be in a constant state of confusion, and travel would be limited to a very short distance. And stand still, you look as nervous as a whore in church.:)
    Our sun indeed has a limited life span:
    What is the life expectancy of the sun?
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    Aug 21, 2007, 03:20 PM
    Mr. Crow, I just checked again; this is the Philosophy Board!

    :):):)
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    Aug 21, 2007, 03:40 PM
    So... what is the other? Perhaps it is a little bit more legitimate.
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    Aug 21, 2007, 03:43 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_crow
    Sorry, both involve change.:)
    Who changes from dead?

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