[progunr]

I'm so tired of hearing the folks on the left complain about the evil oil companies and the huge profits they are making.

Has anyone here, heard from the left, any complaints about the federal taxes Exxon paid in the same time as the latest profit report?

For some reason, this never gets a single mention.

The FACT is, they paid over THREE TIMES as much in Federal Taxes as they made in profit.

Now that is what the left calls EVIL!

And this crap with Nancy Pelosi, what nerve this female dog in heat has, to try to shut down the floor of the house, while a representitive from Arizona was speaking, banging her gavel and even going so far as to turn off the lights!

How about it Dems or Libs?

Aren't you proud of your leaders who just ignore what the American people want, and just decide to play God instead of listening to what the people they represent really want?

After all, these socialists are so much better than the average American, or so they believe.

If nothing else, don't they realize that they are pissing off MANY of the very people who support them?

It really is unbelievable.

[N0help4u]

Today I heard that Obama wants to hand out $500. Simulus tax to American individuals and $1,000. To American families that qualify--same ones that benefited from Bush's simulus tax.
Thing is he 'feels' the big oil companies should be the ones that back the tax. Wonder what that will do to the gas prices at the pump.

[progunr]

Exactly!

What ever they do to increase the money taken from the oil companies in higher taxes, will simply be passed on to us at the pump.

Gee, three times their profit is not enough for these money grabbers?

Obama is an idiot. A clever, silver tongued, sneaky, manipulative idiot.

[George_1950]

Obama is an idiot. A clever, silver tongued, sneaky, manipulative idiot.

What about all those voters out there? He knocked-off Hillary, after all.

[George_1950]

Wonder what that will do to the gas prices at the pump.

Please accept this as a 'greenie' since I can't rate you! The principle of 'unintended consequences' is something Democrats do not recognize, just 'judge me by my intentions'.

[George_1950]

Obama is an idiot. A clever, silver tongued, sneaky, manipulative idiot.

Obama is also a thief.

[Galveston1]

Hey! Obama has THE solution to the oil shortage. If EVERYONE would inflate their tires to the proper pressure, and keep their engines in tune, it will SOLVE the problem!
Those of you who believe that, please contact me as I have some nice ocean front property near Phoenix that I am offering a discount on for the next 30 days.

[progunr]

Do I dare repeat myself...

Obama is an idiot. A clever, silver tongued, sneaky, manipulative idiot.

[N0help4u]

Silver tongued

YouTube - Barack Obama Stuttering Uh Montage
:rolleyes:

[BABRAM]

OK kiddos, guys and gals, all the zingers about Obama being an "idiot, a thief, or stuttering" are not convincing. I'd rather hear reasonable arguments. I've read on a few sites that had blogs and articles where arguments against windfall taxation has been articulated intelligently to some degree. However, I know some of you voted for Dubya, not once, but twice! So thank yourselves for part of the mess. It was none other than George W. Bush that said he would make us a country of "haves and have-mores." And as usual enough Americans bought into the trickle down voodoo economics that would had even made Reagan sick. But yet, here we are! It's 2008 and another election year. Well the "haves" actually have-less, and the "have-mores" are laughing all the way to the bank. The oil companies made better than the average in comparison of the S&P 500. I recall that was around a 8.5 % average profit and oil companies did about 9.7 % for 2007, or there abouts. Obviously the problem is not that Obama wants to help job sectors in keeping police, firefighters, and the schools, that are now having to cut budgets left and right (see below in italics). It's the fact that he goes after oil companies for their profits alone when he should add other fat cats, otherwise known as Dubya's "have-mores" to help out.

Here's a starter list:


2007 Net Income

JPMorgan Chase (NYSE: JPM)
$15.4 billion

Bank of America
$14.8 billion

Goldman Sachs (NYSE: GS)
$11.4 billion

AIG
$6.2 billion

Citigroup
$3.6 billion



Company

2007 Net Income

ExxonMobil (NYSE: XOM)
$40.6 billion

Chevron (NYSE: CVX)
$18.7 billion

ConocoPhillips (NYSE: COP)
$11.9 billion

Valero (NYSE: VLO)
$5.2 billion

Marathon Oil (NYSE: MRO)
$4.0 billion





"At least 29 states are now facing budget deficits in the 2009 fiscal year. The National Conference of State Legislatures (NCSL) recently found that U.S. states will face a combined $53 billion in budget shortfalls in 2008 – 2009. States have already begun cutting spending for essential services like police, firefighters, and elementary schools, in response and could be forced to raise taxes if they get no assistance. State and local governments have also started to downsize their workforces and cut back on worker benefits. Seven states have already frozen salaries or decreased retirement fund contributions this year. When states are forced to cut back on services and lay off workers during a time of economic weakness, it not only undermines the safety and stability of their residents, but further exacerbates the downward economic spiral. This is particularly true in areas hardest-hit by the housing crisis where communities are reeling from declining property tax revenues. Obama's emergency plan would provide $25 billion in relief to state and local governments, to ensure that these authorities can continue to maintain essential services for their citizens and to support their payrolls without having to increase taxes on their citizens. State and local governments account for over 20 million payroll jobs in the United States, and Obama's stimulus would boost domestic demand by ensuring that this sector of the labor market does not shrink unnecessarily. This fund will also enable states to continue providing foreclosure counseling, refinancing opportunities and other innovative services to help struggling families stay in their homes and help forestall property value declines in hard-hit neighborhoods. Finally, the fund will ensure that states have sufficient resources to cushion the impact of high energy prices on the cost of home heating, so families are not left in the cold this fall and winter.

$25 Billion in a Jobs and Growth Fund to replenish the highway trust fund, prevent cutbacks in road and bridge maintenance and fund new, fast-tracked projects to repair schools. These steps would save more than 1 million jobs while making a down payment on Obama's growth-enhancing long-run infrastructure and energy efficiency proposals. Another area where the contraction of state budgets is costing jobs and undermining demand is in rebuilding our schools and modernizing our roads and bridges. On the other hand, the cost of inputs for building roads and bridges has jumped in recent years. The producer price for highway construction has increased 70 percent since 2004. Meanwhile, declining tax receipts have sapped the highway trust fund and are threatening road and bridge construction projects. As a result, states have been forced to stop work on current infrastructure projects and delay implementation of new projects as well. Coupled with the fallout in the housing market, this trend has driven substantial job loss in the construction industry—with 600,000 construction related jobs lost in the past two years. If John McCain's plan to divert billion more from the Highway Trust Fund for a gas tax holiday was passed, even more jobs would be lost. The Obama emergency plan would make $25 billion immediately available in a Jobs and Growth Fund to help ensure that in-progress and fast-tracked infrastructure projects are not sidelined, and to ensure that schools can meet their energy costs and undertake key repairs starting this fall.

First, Obama will replenish the highway trust fund, which currently funds hundreds of in-shortfall. Second, at a time when 76 percent of American public schools have structural deficiencies and schools in at least 16 states are being forced to move to 4-day school weeks this fall because of high energy costs and budget cuts, no one can be satisfied with the state of America's public school infrastructure. A federal commitment to ensuring in-progress projects go forward and fast-tracked school repairs are undertaken serves as a triple win, generating capital deployment and job creation to boost our economy in the near-term, enhancing U.S. competitiveness in the longer term, and improving the environment by adopting energy efficient school repairs. In total, Obama's $25 billion investment will result in 1 million jobs created or saved, while helping to turn our economy around. The Jobs and Growth fund is meant to avoid cuts in the short run and fund urgent, high-priority infrastructure investments. It is a complement to Obama's long-run, fully paid-for proposal to establish an infrastructure bank that will leverage $6 billion per year into $35 billion in new investments, and help improve the competitiveness and energy efficiency of our economy in the years ahead."

Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, 6/30/08, 29 States Face Total Budget Shortfall of At Least $48 Billion in 2009, updated 6/30/08
National Conference of State Legislatures, State Budget Update, June 2008, available at: National Conference of State Legislatures.


PS. Any unwanted or unneeded stimulus checks given out by any president administration, just let me know.

[inthebox]

OK kiddos, guys and gals, all the zingers about Obama being an "idiot, a thief, or stuttering" are not convincing. I'd rather hear reasonable arguments. I've read on a few sites that had blogs and articles where arguments against windfall taxation has been articulated intelligently to some degree. However, I know some of you voted for Dubya, not once, but twice! So thank yourselves for part of the mess. It was none other than George W. Bush that said he would make us a country of "haves and have-mores." And as usual enough Americans bought into the trickle down voodoo economics that would had even made Reagan sick. But yet, here we are! It's 2008 and another election year. Well the "haves" actually have-less, and the "have-mores" are laughing all the way to the bank. The oil companies made better than the average in comparison of the S&P 500. I recall that was around a 8.5 % average profit and oil companies did about 9.7 % for 2007, or there abouts. Obviously the problem is not that Obama wants to help job sectors in keeping police, firefighters, and the schools, that are now having to cut budgets left and right (see below in italics). It's the fact that he goes after oil companies for their profits alone when he should add other fat cats, otherwise known as Dubya's "have-mores" to help out.

I don't believe the constitution guarantees that everyone will be a "have" - but they can pursue it. :)

Here's a starter list:


2007 Net Income

JPMorgan Chase (NYSE: JPM)
$15.4 billion

Bank of America
$14.8 billion

Goldman Sachs (NYSE: GS)
$11.4 billion

AIG
$6.2 billion

Citigroup
$3.6 billion



Company

2007 Net Income

ExxonMobil (NYSE: XOM)
$40.6 billion

Chevron (NYSE: CVX)
$18.7 billion

ConocoPhillips (NYSE: COP)
$11.9 billion

Valero (NYSE: VLO)
$5.2 billion

Marathon Oil (NYSE: MRO)
$4.0 billion

How about hollywood celebrities or pro atheletes or hedge fund managers.

This is the politics of class envy.

"At least 29 states are now facing budget deficits in the 2009 fiscal year. The National Conference of State Legislatures (NCSL) recently found that U.S. states will face a combined $53 billion in budget shortfalls in 2008 – 2009. States have already begun cutting spending for essential services like police, firefighters, and elementary schools, in response and could be forced to raise taxes if they get no assistance. State and local governments have also started to downsize their workforces and cut back on worker benefits. Seven states have already frozen salaries or decreased retirement fund contributions this year. When states are forced to cut back on services and lay off workers during a time of economic weakness, it not only undermines the safety and stability of their residents, but further exacerbates the downward economic spiral. This is particularly true in areas hardest-hit by the housing crisis where communities are reeling from declining property tax revenues. Obama’s emergency plan would provide $25 billion in relief to state and local governments, to ensure that these authorities can continue to maintain essential services for their citizens and to support their payrolls without having to increase taxes on their citizens. State and local governments account for over 20 million payroll jobs in the United States, and Obama’s stimulus would boost domestic demand by ensuring that this sector of the labor market does not shrink unnecessarily. This fund will also enable states to continue providing foreclosure counseling, refinancing opportunities and other innovative services to help struggling families stay in their homes and help forestall property value declines in hard-hit neighborhoods. Finally, the fund will ensure that states have sufficient resources to cushion the impact of high energy prices on the cost of home heating, so families are not left in the cold this fall and winter.

$25 Billion in a Jobs and Growth Fund to replenish the highway trust fund, prevent cutbacks in road and bridge maintenance and fund new, fast-tracked projects to repair schools. These steps would save more than 1 million jobs while making a down payment on Obama’s growth-enhancing long-run infrastructure and energy efficiency proposals. Another area where the contraction of state budgets is costing jobs and undermining demand is in rebuilding our schools and modernizing our roads and bridges. On the other hand, the cost of inputs for building roads and bridges has jumped in recent years. The producer price for highway construction has increased 70 percent since 2004. Meanwhile, declining tax receipts have sapped the highway trust fund and are threatening road and bridge construction projects. As a result, states have been forced to stop work on current infrastructure projects and delay implementation of new projects as well. Coupled with the fallout in the housing market, this trend has driven substantial job loss in the construction industry—with 600,000 construction related jobs lost in the past two years. If John McCain’s plan to divert billion more from the Highway Trust Fund for a gas tax holiday was passed, even more jobs would be lost. The Obama emergency plan would make $25 billion immediately available in a Jobs and Growth Fund to help ensure that in-progress and fast-tracked infrastructure projects are not sidelined, and to ensure that schools can meet their energy costs and undertake key repairs starting this fall.

First, Obama will replenish the highway trust fund, which currently funds hundreds of in-shortfall. Second, at a time when 76 percent of American public schools have structural deficiencies and schools in at least 16 states are being forced to move to 4-day school weeks this fall because of high energy costs and budget cuts, no one can be satisfied with the state of America’s public school infrastructure. A federal commitment to ensuring in-progress projects go forward and fast-tracked school repairs are undertaken serves as a triple win, generating capital deployment and job creation to boost our economy in the near-term, enhancing U.S. competitiveness in the longer term, and improving the environment by adopting energy efficient school repairs. In total, Obama’s $25 billion investment will result in 1 million jobs created or saved, while helping to turn our economy around. The Jobs and Growth fund is meant to avoid cuts in the short run and fund urgent, high-priority infrastructure investments. It is a complement to Obama’s long-run, fully paid-for proposal to establish an infrastructure bank that will leverage $6 billion per year into $35 billion in new investments, and help improve the competitiveness and energy efficiency of our economy in the years ahead."

Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, 6/30/08, 29 States Face Total Budget Shortfall of At Least $48 Billion in 2009, updated 6/30/08
National Conference of State Legislatures, State Budget Update, June 2008, available at: National Conference of State Legislatures.


PS. Any unwanted or unneeded stimulus checks given out by any president administration, just let me know.

So Obama is going to personally pay for this?

Or is this all code for raising taxes on the taxpayor?

It is up to state and local government politicians to budget and spend money wisely, not make promises on the backs of taxpayors so they can get elected or re-elected.

[Credendovidis]

Obama is an idiot. A clever, silver tongued, sneaky, manipulative idiot.

Today I heard that Obama wants to hand out $500...

Obama is also a thief.

Do I dare repeat myself ... Obama is an idiot. A clever, silver tongued, sneaky, manipulative idiot.

And you are of course all brilliant and enlightened democracy supporters, and you "weigh" every politician on your race-less color-less gender-less party-less balance of "true honorable concern" instead of on your hypocritical steer produce scale...


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[N0help4u]

And you are of course all brilliant and enlightened democracy supporters, and you "weigh" every politician on your race-less color-less gender-less party-less balance of "true honorable concern" instead of on your hypocritical steer produce scale .....

YES WE DO "weigh" every politician on your race-less color-less gender-less party-less balance of "true honorable concern"
AND GUESS WHAT
THEY ALL ARE IN THE SAME RED ZONE!

[excon]

Hello again:

IF oil is a strategic commodity that is running out, the government WILL nationalize it sooner or later. No country will leave it's future to private companies. We won't either. IF we're going to do this, lets do it now.

excon

[progunr]

Hello again:

IF oil is a strategic commodity that is running out, the government WILL nationalize it sooner or later. No country will leave it's future to private companies. We won't either. IF we're going to do this, lets do it now.

excon

Either way, private or nationalized, if we don't get started drilling now, like we should have done 30 years ago, it won't matter who is in control.

Drill here, Drill NOW, Pay less!

[Galveston1]

Do any of you really believe that we would be better off now if either Gore or Kerry had been elected? I REALLY doubt it myself.

As to oil, it may soon become irrelevant. REALLY. Already a lot of people are using homemade hydrogen generators on their cars to boost gas mileage, and there are patents that indicate that we may SOON be able to operate our cars and homes on hydrogen produced by our own gas generators. The latest info has been placed in the public domain so that it can't be suppressed. Anyway, I'm keeping my ears and mind open. Hope springs eternal!

[BABRAM]

So Obama is going to personally pay for this?

Or is this all code for raising taxes on the taxpayor?

It is up to state and local government politicians to budget and spend money wisely, not make promises on the backs of taxpayors so they can get elected or re-elected.

How do you think utlimatly pays? Think about it and then tell me who can afford this the most.

[progunr]

How do you think anything utlimatly gets paid?! Think about it and then tell me who can afford this the most.

The things that I have to pay, I have to pay myself.

I don't get to go to all my neighbors homes, take some of their money when they aren't looking, and then redistribute it to other sources.

Do you really believe that paying three times the profit, in federal taxes is not enough?

Just another socialistic attack on the evil free market system, and the evil corporations that create jobs.

[BABRAM]

I don't believe the constitution gurantees that everyone will be a "have" - but they can pursue it. :)

Three words, "We the people." :)

How about hollywood celebrities or pro atheletes or hedge fund managers.

They are already accounted for already under Obama's tax plan by income bracket.

[BABRAM]

The things that I have to pay, I have to pay myself.

I don't get to go to all my neighbors homes, take some of their money when they aren't looking, and then redistribute it to other sources.

Do you really believe that paying three times the profit, in federal taxes is not enough?

Just another socialistic attack on the evil free market system, and the evil corporations that create jobs.

No. I'd expect you to help your neighbor, if possible, not steal from them. You're mentality is backwards on the issue. BTW I included a list of others that could help and are making large profits, other than oil companies. I wish I could afford to pay federal taxes fives times over, that would mean I making a huge profit.