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Wondergirl · Nov 14, 2020, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

However, 13 year old girls give birth and go on to live productive lives. Others have abortions and live their entire adult lives regretting it bitterly. The baby is just a troublesome brat to you. To me it is a living human being.

She 12, not 13, and she just started getting her periods. She's been raped, is pregnant, was horribly shamed and physically damaged, and probably has not much idea of what's going on inside her body that's too small for a six-pound baby. Her friends shun her. She lies on her bed and cries all day. When it's time to deliver, she has to have a c-section. She hates this baby with every fiber of her being.

Now, let's talk about the future of the baby....

jlisenbe · Nov 14, 2020, 10:54 AM

She's been raped, is pregnant, was horribly shamed and physically damaged, and probably has not much idea of what's going on inside her body that's too small for a six-pound baby. Her friends shun her. She lies on her bed and cries all day. When it's time to deliver, she has to have a c-section. She hates this baby with every fiber of her being.

So let's compound a horrendous situation by killing her baby and giving her reason to feel guilty the rest of her life? Once your exagerrations are out of the way, I'll just go back to what I said before. I would listen to what a qualified doctor says, and not a pro-abortion liberal.

What happened to all those pro-abortion scriptures you were going to give us, and your answer to the dilemma of the children separated from parents who have gone missing?

Wondergirl · Nov 14, 2020, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

So let's compound a horrendous situation by killing her baby

It's not her baby. She didn't want it then or now.

jlisenbe · Nov 14, 2020, 12:03 PM

So a child that is not wanted is ripe for killing? Got it.

How would you possibly know what that girl would think years down the road or what she wants now? "She didn't want it then or now."

In the meantime, we continue to wait for those scriptures where God "commanded" that abortion take place, and also your solution for those isolated children that you said you would post today.

Wondergirl · Nov 14, 2020, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

So a child that is not wanted is ripe for killing? Got it.

How would you possibly know what that girl would think years down the road or what she wants now? "She didn't want it then or now."

Every time she looks at that child, she remembers the rape.

How would you possibly know what that girl would think years down the road or what she wants now? "She didn't want it then or now."

Several friends over the years have been raped and impregnated.

In the meantime, we continue to wait for those scriptures where God "commanded" that abortion take place

Here's one:
Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. -- Hosea 13:16

jlisenbe · Nov 14, 2020, 12:26 PM

Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. -- Hosea 13:16

Oh yeah. That's a real endorsement of abortion. Hosea prophecies what the wicked will do, and you agree with it? Sure you want to go with that?

Why not just acknowledge that God never commands abortion? Wouldn't that be more honest??? But instead, you try to portray, "women with child shall be ripped up" as some endorsement of abortion. That's pretty wild. Not quite as wild as your contention that Paul was a homosexual, but pretty close.

Every time she looks at that child, she remembers the rape.

You have no idea what she remembers.

Wondergirl · Nov 14, 2020, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Oh yeah. That's a real endorsement of abortion. Hosea prophecies what the wicked will do, and you agree with it? Sure you want to go with that?

No, God's people were commanded to kill even pregnant women and their unborn babies

You have no idea what she remembers.

Surely you jest.

jlisenbe · Nov 14, 2020, 12:46 PM

No, God's people were commanded to kill even pregnant women and their unborn babies

No, they weren't. Read more carefully. That was a passage AGAINST God's people, a prophecy of judgement. And to call that an endorsement of abortion is really an outrage. You are stretching BIG TIME. You have nothing. It's as completely absurd as contending that God was endorsing child murder in that passage.

"The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God."

It's like I have said before. It's so sad to see a professing Christian coming out all in for abortion.

paraclete · Nov 14, 2020, 04:37 PM

More liberal theology, they use the word to justify anything

jlisenbe · Nov 14, 2020, 04:50 PM

More liberal theology, they use the word to justify anything

Yep. It's the difference between the Bible informing my worldview, or my worldview informing the Bible.

Wondergirl · Nov 14, 2020, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

It's as completely absurd as contending that God was endorsing child murder in that passage.

Methinks thou must read that passage more carefully.

jlisenbe · Nov 14, 2020, 05:43 PM

Methinks thou must read that passage more carefully.

Oh stop. You're embarrassing yourself. Admit your mistake and move on.

Wondergirl · Nov 14, 2020, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Oh stop. You're embarrassing yourself. Admit your mistake and move on.

Do you know what Samaria was and who its god was?

jlisenbe · Nov 14, 2020, 06:24 PM

Samaria was another name for the ten northern tribes. They basically never served the true God, and yet He continually sent prophets to warn them. Hosea was one of them. If you will read 14:1&2 you will see what you have missed. The passage you quoted was very plainly a prophecy against them. To suggest it is a command to abort children would be laughable if it wasn’t so sickening. Assyria would be the invading army. In those days, it was not good to be overrun by the Assyrians.

talaniman · Nov 15, 2020, 07:28 AM

Is Samaria related to Samaritan as in the parable?

jlisenbe · Nov 15, 2020, 08:48 AM

Indeed it is. Well done, oh thou theologian! 8D

Have a good day today. Go to church.

I'm a little worried about you. We haven't smacked each other upside the head in a few days. Are you off your feed???

Wondergirl · Nov 15, 2020, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

contending that God was endorsing child murder in that passage.

Endorsing? No. Commanding? Yes. What a gentle, loving God...

Hosea 13:16 Samaria will be held guilty, For she has rebelled against her God. They will fall by the sword, Their little ones will be dashed in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open.

jlisenbe · Nov 15, 2020, 12:40 PM

Endorsing? No. Commanding? Yes. What a gentle, loving God...

Complete absurdity and total lack of knowledge of even basic semantics. It was not endorsed. It was not commanded. It was prophesied. And murdering a woman and her child by ripping open her belly is not abortion. You are so desperate to justify abortion, I actually somewhat feel sorry for you. And your snarky comment about a gentle, loving God reveals a lot about your faith.

Hosea 13:16 Samaria will be held guilty, For she has rebelled against her God. They will fall by the sword, Their little ones will be dashed in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open.

Wondergirl · Nov 15, 2020, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Complete absurdity and total lack of knowledge of even basic semantics. It was not endorsed. It was not commanded. It was prophesied. And murdering a woman and her child by ripping open her belly is not abortion. You are so desperate to justify abortion, I actually somewhat feel sorry for you. And your snarky comment about a gentle, loving God reveals a lot about your faith.

Hosea 13:16 Samaria will be held guilty, For she has rebelled against her God. They will fall by the sword, Their little ones will be dashed in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open.

How many other times throughout the OT did God command the Israelites to kill? and rip unborn babies from their mothers? Certainly an all-powerful God could have come up with a better solution. Maybe the Israelites had to justify their warlike actions and say "God made us do it."

Athos · Nov 15, 2020, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

How many other times throughout the OT did God command the Israelites to kill? and rip unborn babies from their mothers? Certainly an all-powerful God could have come up with a better solution. Maybe the Israelites had to justify their warlike actions and say "God made us do it."

The Bible has its God ripping open the bellies of pregnant women as punishment for rebellion. Abortion has a pregnancy terminated under the compassionate care of modern medicine. Who's the greater monster? God or the doctor who performs the abortion?

Evangelists/fundamentalists find themselves backed into a corner by the Biblical contradictions - the God who slaughters innocents and the son of that God who says to love your enemy. Which is it?