[talaniman]

They both piss me off! Despicable acts by despicable people usually does. How about YOU?

[jlisenbe]

Except you talk about the pres unceasingly but never mentioned the church being burned. Hmmm.

I don't recall ever being angry at someone for holding up a Bible.

[talaniman]

Except you talk about the pres unceasingly but never mentioned the church being burned. Hmmm.

I don't recall ever being angry at someone for holding up a Bible.

I've come out against criminals and the hypocrisy of the ilk of the dufus using the bible as a prop for his photo op.

[jlisenbe]

Yeah. If he was a really sincere, committed Christian like Obama, then it would be different? (sarcasm meter set to 10.5)

[talaniman]

Yeah. If he was a really sincere, committed Christian like Obama, then it would be different? (sarcasm meter set to 10.5)

Obama did a lot more than hold a bible for a photo op. No sarcasm, but you already know that!

[jlisenbe]

Yeah. He advanced the causes of abortion and gay marriage. He allowed Americans to die in Benghazi. He doubled the national debt. Good job!!

[talaniman]

Yeah. He advanced the causes of abortion and gay marriage.

More like he accepted the growing support for those issues, while the dufus has done nothing about either.

He allowed Americans to die in Benghazi. He doubled the national debt. Good job!!

People died, and people have died on the dufus watch as well, but Obama's debts allowed the US to rebuild after a GLOBAL financial crisis caused by rich dudes rip offs, and gave the dufus a solid foundation to grow faster. That's over with, as now we have well over 100,000 deaths from a virus and a destroyed economy and a huge debt on his watch.

Your old loony right wing talking points will fail to distract us from what's happening NOW given people in the streets traumatized by the images of a callous murder of a citizen by an officer sworn to serve and protect.

[jlisenbe]

Obama's debts allowed the US to rebuild after a GLOBAL financial crisis caused by rich dudes rip offs, and gave the dufus a solid foundation to grow faster.

What a convenient excuse.

people in the streets traumatized by the images of a callous murder of a citizen by an officer sworn to serve and protect.

Talk about drama. Sheesh. Now if we could just get people interested in the fact that over half of the people murdered in the U.S. are black, and 90% murdered by another black person. I suppose you would say it's a shame they're not being murdered by white people. Then you could become upset about it.

[paraclete]

Capitalism is not based on greed or exploitation. It is simply based on the private ownership of the economy. It is the greatest economic system in existence. It does need to be regulated lest greed lead to exploitation, but that can happen under socialism as well. There is a difference between a nanny state, which is what I think you prefer, and a capitalist economy. But don't worry. We will likely kill the goose that laid that golden egg, as will you.

Our goose is laying nicely, 29 years without a recession, and only Covid19 has put a dint in that. The economy doesn't belong to private ownership, it belongs to the people, and yes, it should be regulated otherwise the exploiters remain unchecked. I don't prefer a nanny state nor do I prefer unbridled capitalism

Talk about drama. Sheesh. Now if we could just get people interested in the fact that over half of the people murdered in the U.S. are black, and 90% murdered by another black person. I suppose you would say it's a shame they're not being murdered by white people. Then you could become upset about it.

The way you talk you are happy for a little black on black violence then you can justify your attitudes. It is obvious you are not upset about it, but don't worry your blacks are solving your problem for you

[jlisenbe]

I don't prefer a nanny state nor do I prefer unbridled capitalism

Then we agree.

The economy doesn't belong to private ownership, it belongs to the people,

Not sure what you mean by that. I was referring to who owns the means of production.

[talaniman]

What a convenient excuse.

Talk about drama. Sheesh. Now if we could just get people interested in the fact that over half of the people murdered in the U.S. are black, and 90% murdered by another black person. I suppose you would say it's a shame they're not being murdered by white people. Then you could become upset about it.

Still trying to dismiss me and move the narrative to your liking huh? Good luck with that! You should know better by now my friend. 8) I mean why would a brother from the inner city be upset by the white guy that claims to know the inner city?

I have said many times it's the poverty through the perpetuation of RACISM that fuels the deaths in America. Your attempts to blame the inner cities is an example of that perpetration and a pathetic excuse to shift blame, responsibility, and accountability. Such a sad attempt to oppress, suppress, and exploit for gain.

The way you talk you are happy for a little black on black violence then you can justify your attitudes. It is obvious you are not upset about it, but don't worry your blacks are solving your problem for you

Hopefully the POORER blacks and whites as the struggle for equality as written by the founders becomes more REAL!

[jlisenbe]

I have said many times it's the poverty through the perpetuation of RACISM that fuels the deaths in America.

At some point you need to come up with some evidence for that. I think I can EASILY demonstrate that the biggest problems BY FAR faced now by the black community are centered around the behavior of black people.

Your attempts to blame the inner cities is an example of that perpetration and a pathetic excuse to shift blame, responsibility, and accountability. Such a sad attempt to oppress, suppress, and exploit for gain.

Unless, of course, it happens to be true. It's not a put-down of anyone. The problems afflicting the black community are much the same as what the rest of the country faces. I can guarantee you this. You can remove all the confederate statues, eliminate the ten (or whatever the number is) instances of murder by cop, kneel for the playing of the National Anthem at every NFL game, and the conditions in the black community will change none at all. But if you reverse the out of wedlock birth rate, improve the school situation, reduce criminal activity, and promote hard work and perseverance, the situation will change dramatically. In ten or fifteen years we would start to talk about "black privilege". But that will all require self discipline, honesty, and accountability. It is certainly much easier to point the finger elsewhere, but it is much less productive. And again, to be clear, it is the same problem the entire country faces. It's more widespread in black communities, but still very much in existence.

[Athos]

At some point you need to come up with some evidence for that. eliminate the ten (or whatever the number is) instances of murder by cop,

You're the one who needs to come up with evidence. Your comments here are riddled with racism and untrue.

Your casual dismissal of blacks murdered by cops as ten is off by a mere 880%! And that's only through June 4.

[talaniman]

At some point you need to come up with some evidence for that. I think I can EASILY demonstrate that the biggest problems BY FAR faced now by the black community are centered around the behavior of black people.

No I don't as video technology has and is still capturing the previously under reported antics of police brutality for all to see. We can argue about the behavior of some black people, who perpetrate a criminal intent, as long as we also discuss the vast majority segregated in the poor part of town who have no resources to uplift their neighbor hoods and schools nor begin to build wealth that happens in other parts of our society. Poverty perpetrated by racism and all you have to do is follow the money like I did, have done, and you obviously have NOT.

Unless, of course, it happens to be true. It's not a put-down of anyone. The problems afflicting the black community are much the same as what the rest of the country faces. I can guarantee you this. You can remove all the confederate statues, eliminate the ten (or whatever the number is) instances of murder by cop, kneel for the playing of the National Anthem at every NFL game, and the conditions in the black community will change none at all. But if you reverse the out of wedlock birth rate, improve the school situation, reduce criminal activity, and promote hard work and perseverance, the situation will change dramatically. In ten or fifteen years we would start to talk about "black privilege". But that will all require self discipline, honesty, and accountability. It is certainly much easier to point the finger elsewhere, but it is much less productive. And again, to be clear, it is the same problem the entire country faces. It's more widespread in black communities, but still very much in existence.

No it's not true to an extremely large extent, no more than freeing the slaves and leaving them on the plantation to fend for themselves with no ownership of the lands they worked or access to the capital to do so, save for the shopkeepers and supplier of goods who exploited them. Much like the predatory lenders that exploits them now. Of course all you focus on is a narrow view of the problems of the inner cities because you haven't listened closely enough to those folks who try to tell you the REAL DEAL so understandable you wave your bible and ignore all the crowded churches on Sundays and through the weak, like we need your preaching to improve our lives.

We survive today as a people through our faith as we always have. How else can you explain putting up with 400 years of white people BS? We've already overcome a lot, and that will continue to be the case.

[jlisenbe]

Your casual dismissal of blacks murdered by cops as ten is off by a mere 880%! And that's only through June 4.

Nonsense. You're counting all blacks killed by the police. As any thinking person knows, when you are armed and dangerous, then your chances of being killed are pretty good, white, black, or otherwise. In 2016, 16 unarmed black men were killed by the police. As the Michael Brown case showed, just being unarmed does not make the case amount to a police murder, but use 16 if you want to. In the meantime, thousands and thousands of black Americans are murdered EVERY YEAR by other black Americans. For that matter, use your phony figure of 88. 150 black people are murdered EVERY WEEK. You don't care. I do.

as long as we also discuss the vast majority segregated in the poor part of town who have no resources to uplift their neighbor hoods and schools nor begin to build wealth that happens in other parts of our society.

Between the two of us, I'm the only one showing any concern for them. We wouldn't even be talking about them if I didn't bring it up. There is no political capital to be gained through it, so lib dems don't care. Well, someone ought to care. If I could do anything at all to help a young black child, or for that matter any child, grow up with significant advantages, it would be to have even a somewhat decent father in the house who is married to the child's mother. The statistics on that are just overwhelming.

I do agree that black people have overcome great problems. Much of their ability to persevere was due to healthy families. Now, that is no longer the case.

I haven't waved my Bible.

I am proposing common sense ideas. You are proposing...nothing.

https://gillespieshields.com/40-fact...rent-families/

[tomder55]

I don't prefer a nanny state nor do I prefer unbridled capitalism

lol easy to build strawmen to knock down . Tell me when there was unbridled capitalism since perhaps the mid 19th century .

[jlisenbe]

Would it be a fair statement to say that Australia is a nanny state?

[talaniman]

The whole nanny state argument is a strawman one, since it's about a strong social safety net for citizens who fall through the cracks of society. It's roots are in judeo-christian teachings of helping the least among us. The laws and regulations governing that safety net are a state function and applied by the states, assisted by the federal government in cases of the poorer states.

Would it be a fair statement to say that Australia is a nanny state?

NO! Australia and nearly every other developed nation in the world regard their social safety net as a priority for it's citizens. Only in America is it vilified by the conservatives as a disincentive for work. Work is a requirement if it's available, and has a 5 year limit.

[jlisenbe]

It's roots are in judeo-christian teachings of helping the least among us.

No, it's not. That teaching calls for a voluntary giving of one's resources to help another person. The idea of the government using one person's money to basically buy the vote of another person is totally foreign.

If work is available? When unemployment was below 4%, then work was available to anyone who wanted it. For that matter, a person could have gotten two jobs. Of course it's a disincentive for work.

[Athos]

Nonsense. You're counting all blacks killed by the police.

I am counting EXACTLY what you claimed.

As any thinking person knows

Which sure as hell doesn't include you.

As usual, when confronted with your error, you simply change what you originally posted.

I am proposing common sense ideas.

This would be funny if it weren't coming from so pathetic a source.