[talaniman]

It wasn't just on Cohens words that the House is investigating financial records, because Cohen brought those documents with him to back up his testimony.

https://oversight.house.gov/sites/de...%20opinion.pdf

19. Specifically, Cohen stated that, in his experience, “Mr. Trump inflated his total assets when it
served his purposes . . . and deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes.” Id. Cohen supplied
the Oversight Committee with portions of the President’s Statements of Financial Condition from 2011, 2012, and 2013, some of which were signed by Mazars.14

[paraclete]

It wasn't just on Cohens words that the House is investigating financial records, because Cohen brought those documents with him to back up his testimony.

https://oversight.house.gov/sites/de...%20opinion.pdf

so a tax return is only going to state values, where is the evidence of actual valuation, if they are calling Trump a liar and a cheat, where is the proof since we have heard all that before and it isn't something he has done in office, well maybe, but again no proof. What you are calling for here is an investigation of the Trump smoke and mirrors business. I doubt any politician can stand up straight there

[tomder55]

do you really think Trump used Cohen for anything more than paying off non-disclosure agreements with porn stars ? Trump had a staff of real lawyers at his beconing from major firms . I assure you he did not allow that slip and fall former taxi scammer anywhere near the inner sanctum of his financial world . Anything Cohen had Mueller already saw .

[paraclete]

do you really think Trump used Cohen for anything more than paying off non-disclosure agreements with porn stars ? Trump had a staff of real lawyers at his beconing from major firms . I assure you he did not allow that slip and fall former taxi scammer anywhere near the inner sanctum of his financial world . Anything Cohen had Mueller already saw .

It matters naught to me Tom, it is all smoke and mirrors. Someone like Trump would compartmentalise his business affairs

[talaniman]

LOL Tom, we only know of two side ladies that got paid. Are you saying there's more of 'em? Wonder what Cohen did for 12 years the dufus employed him besides a BUNCH of criminal stuff? We already know he may be tied to some unethical loan practices at Duetsche Bank in collusion with Russian money laundering. No telling what him and Vlad are cooking up, or who comes and goes at the WH. He makes sure there are no records of either. They even bribed Slick Mitch to let Vlad's buddies build an aluminum factory in Kentucky to wipe out the sanctions for that company. Yep he herded repubs in line for that one.

Nothing to see here, move along and mind your own business while the big shots take all the money. JL is happy with his crumbs as long as the overturn Roe v Wade. I've seen this movie before a few times and it never ends well for ordinary folks, not even the right wing loonies who pay double for their tickets. HINT...That ain't butter on your popcorn.

[tomder55]

I don't know of a real investigation speculating on what someone MAY have done . That's like Mueller trying to divine what Trump MAY have been thinking as possible grounds for obstruction .

Trump considered running for president back in the 80’s and became only more interested over time. Finally, he tried to run on the Independent Party ticket , before reassessing the competency of the Party itself, and then he backed out.
Trump had decades to decide to run and to clean and repair his personal profile, ready his business profile and shine up his financials, his books in the event he would decide to make a serious run for the presidency.
I think it is Duetsche Bank that has problems and Trump does not share in them. It is guilt by association. Trump does some of his banking at Duetshe . They got raided by the German authorities because they allegedly launder Putin cash. Therefore the connection is established even though the bank is an international bank that services scores of wealthy patrons and millions of customers world wide . Keep fishing .

[talaniman]

There is a reason I refer to the prez as the dufus, because it would seem he would have his house in order, but I have seen no evidence of that since he acts like he does have something to hide, and more importantly I can't stand his antics or words and would feel great to see him eat them. I see no end to this fishing expedition, and only a fool would just look away, and reading the Mueller Report, I can say his actions are totally unacceptable for a prez, or anyone and he should be held to account. If he were not the POTUS he would already be hauled away in cuffs, just like Flynn, Manafort, Gates and Cohen, and maybe that Stone idiot. LOL you think a normal person would have that many convicts and criminals around him?

Come on Tom. That's outrageous.

[tomder55]

none of them were'criminal' before the Mueller inquisition . You think Mueller is incapable of persecuting innocents ? The government had to pay out $100 million because of his excessive zealotry .

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...-shocking-case

and I have already mentioned how he and Comey persecuted Dr Steven Hatfill when they botched the Anthrax case.

or the time that the Mueller led

FBI made Richard Jewell's life a living hell when it looked for a scapegoat for the 1996 Olympics bombing. It pushed the cockamamie idea that Jewell planted the bomb so he could look the hero by discovering it.
The actual bomber was Eric Robert Rudolph, a domestic terrorist who blew up abortion clinics.

So you can't convince me that an American hero like General Flynn is a criminal

[Athos]

I don't know of a real investigation speculating on what someone MAY have done .

You need to rethink this claim. It's done all the time. Catch the bad guy before he blows somebody up. Or before he plans with another bad guy to form a conspiracy. This is basic stuff, tomder.

[talaniman]

Obama fired Flynn because he was going off the rails and warned the dufus about him. Sad but true. As I pointed out though its part of a pattern of who the dufus surrounds himself with. He still has many cabinet members resign under one ethics violation or another. He still doesn't want you looking into how he makes his money, or how he has spent his inauguration money, and everywhere you look a Russian pops up, and a lie comes with it, and the middle east keeps getting more unstable.

[tomder55]

The DIA under Flynn was the only agency that anticipated the rise of ISIS and the extent of its spread. Flynn was reporting this at the time the emperor ,Clapper and Brennan where calling ISIS the JV Team.Flynn was the only Director who refused to modify Intel reports to support the Emperor's political agenda. I guess that is called "going off the rail". It was only after this that the spin about 'erratic behavior ' began circulating .

[talaniman]

Yeah I remember the right wing loony conspiracy theories and talking points back then mostly started by Flynn himself. No secret he was outspoken against his former boss and HC. Even staunch democrats wonder off the range sometimes. Disturbing though if true, him and other retired generals pushing for more Saudi support against Yemen, and giving the Saudis a path toward nukes.

[paraclete]

Even staunch democrats wonder off the range sometimes. .

What about you Tal, do you wander off the range?

[talaniman]

I wander all over the place, but within the boundaries of good behavior and the LAW.

[tomder55]

and giving the Saudis a path toward nukes.

well unless the Iranian nuke ambition is squashed real soon;the Saudi's and other Gulf States will have no choice but to arm themselves in kind .

[talaniman]

The Iranian nuke deal the dufus squashed sort of put the kabash on all that unless you think they were cheating and everybody who said they were in compliance was lying. That's what happens when big Bro let's little Bro have his way. If giving nukes to our proxy's(?) is a solution, then that's a problem and disaster waiting to happen, and a thumb in the eues of our allies.

[Athos]

well unless the Iranian nuke ambition is squashed real soon;the Saudi's and other Gulf States will have no choice but to arm themselves in kind .

It was squashed - by Obama - until your boy unsquashed it. Now idiot boy will arm the Saudis for their Trump proxy war against Iran.

(Woops - after posting this, just saw Tal said the same thing with a touch more clarity. Oh, well. never hurts to repeat a true message).

[talaniman]

The dufus is now accusing the intel community higher ups with TREASON and has ordered Barr to investigate and for Intell to cooperate fully. This is the guy who stalls and stonewalls any close scrutiny into him, even after he gets a judges ruling that it's a LAWFUL scrutiny and he must comply. It's no coincidence that Intell has had it's own investigation going and is set to release those results soon, so I see this as the dufus using Barr again to get a sneak peak so he can SPIN it ahead of that release.

[paraclete]

The dufus is now accusing the intel community higher ups with TREASON and has ordered Barr to investigate and for Intell to cooperate fully. This is the guy who stalls and stonewalls any close scrutiny into him, even after he gets a judges ruling that it's a LAWFUL scrutiny and he must comply. It's no coincidence that Intell has had it's own investigation going and is set to release those results soon, so I see this as the dufus using Barr again to get a sneak peak so he can SPIN it ahead of that release.

In what universe does administration not mean exactly that? Rhetorical question. Your Congress does not have the right to conduct kangaroo courts, but it does so under the guise of inquiries

[talaniman]

Just calling a congress doing it's job and looking into a proven lying cheating bully a kangaroo court doesn't change the fact that's their job! Why do conservatives try to rewrite the rules?