[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

Obamacare May Be Dangerous to Your Health

Having NO insurance may be dangerouser.

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[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:
Having NO insurance may be dangerouser.

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Then why force people off their plans? Don't tell me, I already know the well rehearsed, but oblivious to the realities, answer.

[talaniman]

How To Spot A Fake Obamacare Horror Story | ThinkProgress

How The United States' Growing Income Inequality Is Hurting Women's Mental Health | ThinkProgress

This Halloween, Obamacare Critics Are Trying Their Best To Scare You About Health Reform | ThinkProgress

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

Then why force people off their plans? Don't tell me, I already know the well rehearsed, but oblivious to the realities, answer.

Nahhh... You didn't know THIS answer.

Lemme ask you this... IF the government BANNED lead painted toys, would you be sniveling about what the government is FORCING you to do???

Proly, huh?

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[speechlesstx]

So the insurance we could afford and has served our needs well is bad for your health, and horror stories from obamacare supporters, including those used in obamacare ads and via Obama friendly media outlets are fakes.

I call that not only aversion to reality but desperation.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

So the insurance we could afford and has served our needs well is bad for your health,

If they can cancel you when you get sick, YES. If they have HIGH, almost unreachable co-pays, YES. If they have HIGH, almost unreachable deductibles, YES. If they have LIMITED coverage, YES. If they have death panels, YES.

The fact of the matter is, that crap insurance NEVER served YOUR needs well.. It served the needs of the insurance company.

Here's what I don't understand. Why you WANT your children to play with lead painted toys, I mean why you want to be insured with CRAP, when you can actually get a GOOD policy???

Hep me out here.

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[speechlesstx]

You say that as if we haven't already shown higher copays, higher deductibles, higher premiums, more limited coverage, fewer choices of providers and a government death panel has been trying to convince my dad behind our backs all week to stop his medical care and sign hospice papers while my brother-in-law was being sent home because Medicare wouldn't pay for him to be treated in the hospital where he should be right now. Really, stop talking to me like I'm stupid.

[tomder55]

wow even the compliant Obamamedia has been jumping ship and reporting these "fake " horror stories . But evidently there are some real believers here in the Church of the emperor.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

You say that as if we haven't already shown higher copays, higher deductibles, higher premiums, more limited coverage, fewer choices of providers

In the main, if the tradeoff are policies that have NO caps, that can't refuse you because of a pre-existing condition, that won't bankrupt you if you get sick, that'll allow children to stay on their parents policy til they're 26, that pay for PRE-EMPTIVE care, and that'll cover 35 MILLION people that have NEVER been covered before, I'd say Obamacare is BETTER.

You, not so much.

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[talaniman]

We are all shocked to see what the high cost of medical care is, healthy, or not. We all are looking closer at what we have been paying for, and what we will pay for in the future. Eventually you get over the sticker shock and realize you have been wasting your money, while you got nothing for it. And while the price seems higher now, it won't go up as fast. That's the goal.

Now you can trot out all the stories you want about those sticker shocked people, and moan about their inconvenience, but you cannot ignore the already sick people who were kicked off their insurance before, but can get insurance now and have been since the ACA took effect in 2010.

Keep thinking complaints and sob stories are a sign of people jumping ship to your side. Think mid terms elections before you panic.

[speechlesstx]

The "better" healthcare you want to steer us to told my dad that hospice "was where they just keep giving you morphine until one day you don't wake up."

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

The "better" healthcare you want to steer us to told my dad

I dunno what "better" healthcare you're talking about, but the ACA ISN'T in force yet.

But, whatever he has, I'm absolutely POSITIVE he was REFUSED care, and told to go to a place where they'll keep him high until he dies...

Yes, I'm absolutely POSITIVE he was told that.

Look.. I WISH you'd keep your family OUT of these discussions. I'm SORRY about your dad, but I know NOTHING about who insures him or what his condition is. Consequently, whatever I say about him is GOING to sound callous. Same thing with your daughter.. You ALREADY don't like what I said about her.

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[speechlesstx]

So you'd rather I stick to the fake stories and not real life around me. Got it.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

So you'd rather I stick to the fake stories and not real life around me. Got it.

So, you want me to ask you if your father is terminal. You want me to ask you if he's in the last days of his life... You want me to ask if he's competent...

Well, I ain't gonna.

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[talaniman]

Don't you think everybody has a compelling experience, be it good or bad, for or against the ACA? I mean we shouldn't do something because it has problems for a few, granted millions, against the tens of millions it will benefit?

Does moving backward instead of forward benefit MORE people? What about the millions who lose what they NEEDED, and not just liked?

Come on. You choose sticker shock, or more money, over sick people already??

[speechlesstx]

Here we go again with the false "wingers are cold hearted b@stards" aka "Republicans want you to die quickly" argument again, while thinking screwing up healthcare for the vast majority of us and exacerbating the doctor shortage is progress. Have you guys never learned you don't fix something by making it worse?

[talaniman]

I question your VAST MAJORITY! Back up your numbers.

[speechlesstx]

Use Obama own inflated numbers of uninsured and subtract that from the population and you tell me.

[talaniman]

You know as well as I do there are more sick/poor/old people in need than there are inconvenienced temporarily.

Doesn't matter whose numbers you use.

[speechlesstx]

No I don't. I know the vast majority of Americans were insured by your own numbers. I know nearly every one of them will lose the plans they had, and quite a few will have to pay significantly more for lesser plans and fewer provider choices.