[NeedKarma]

I said the coverage was.

So they'll never use them. Why the big stink? Seriously, if this is the biggest issue they face they are doing well - though I can think or other more pressing issues. I'm astounded by the amount of time you spend of this.

[speechlesstx]

I'm astounded you don't get how outrageous it is to force nuns to pay for contraception coverage, which includes abortifacients, two things which are anathema to their beliefs - especially since they'll never use them.

[talaniman]

If you frame your argument not around rising costs but religious freedom, you can make the law, and the framers of the law the bad guys. Then you don't have to address the rising costs or where they come from.

[talaniman]

I'm astounded you don't get how outrageous it is to force nuns to pay for contraception coverage, which includes abortifacients, two things which are anathema to their beliefs - especially since they'll never use them.

Underwrite their own insurance.

[speechlesstx]

In other words deal with it. How compassionate of you.

By the way, your side is working diligently to kill the self-insurance options as well.

Is the Left's New Attack On Self Insurance Obamacare Sleaze?

[talaniman]

In other words deal with it. How compassionate of you.

I have to deal with my reality, you deal with YOURS. Live and let live is about as compassionate as it gets. We obviously define our own realities differently and that should be cool.

By the way, your side is working diligently to kill the self-insurance options as well.

Is the Left's New Attack On Self Insurance Obamacare Sleaze?

Medicare for all, OR Fix the business model. I vote for both, how about you?

[tomder55]

Underwrite their own insurance.

That is exactly what they were doing before the commissar Sebellius mandated the coverage .

[speechlesstx]

You say live and let live while forcing them to pay for contraceptive coverage? Do you really not see the disconnect there?

[NeedKarma]

No.

[talaniman]

Mandating the minimum coverage in no way forces anyone to use coverage they don't need or want, and the price is the same. That goes for all employers regardless of religion, or UNION affiliation. Specific details can be worked out through compromise, or the court, or the next election.

Or all the above.

[tomder55]

You have a strange definition of "minimum' .

[talaniman]

The minimum doesn't discriminate against females health needs no matter what the pope decrees. That's reality.

[tomder55]

Yeah I've heard it all before . Anything short of complete care for "free " discriminates against someone. So does denying care ,which the death panel will be doing .

[NeedKarma]

death panel

<sigh> Discussion fail.

[talaniman]

Well we already see how the death panels of the insurance company work. People have been denied life saving care. Kicked off their insurance, or capped after reaching a limit.

That's what you want back? Of course you do. If the congress gets off its butt and do their job, then they have oversight and control of the IPAD and can take recommendation by them or reject them. Its called checks and balances. MORE reality for the right wing spin machine.

[speechlesstx]

It was your democratic Congress that gave us an unaccountable IPAD in the first place, and dems that block any attempt to fix anything while your President makes his own rules.

[talaniman]

I posted the link some time ago where IPAD is accountable to the congress. So your statement is erroneous. No wonder you don't know what the facts are.

[tomder55]

One major problem is the so-called Independent Payment Advisory Board. The IPAB is essentially a health-care rationing body. By setting doctor reimbursement rates for Medicare and determining which procedures and drugs will be covered and at what price, the IPAB will be able to stop certain treatments its members do not favor by simply setting rates to levels where no doctor or hospital will perform them.

Name the person who penned that quote...
Hint... it isn't Sarah Palin.

[talaniman]

Howard Dean. Unlike the right we allow for differing views. He is correct in respect that if the congress doesn't do its oversight responsibilities there could indeed be problems. That doesn't mean he is against ACA being implemented.

That's what Obama was re-elected for.

[tomder55]

Howard Dean. Unlike the right we allow for differing views. He is correct in respect that if the congress doesn't do its oversight responsibilities there could indeed be problems. That doesn't mean he is against ACA being implemented.

That's what Obama was re-elected for.

Stop the nonsense . You know better... The emperor is allowing his commissars all types of latitude in creating regulation ;and the Dems crafted the law so that the only way to stop it is repeal or defund.
The law gives appointed bureaucrats on the IPAB life and death powers. They can cut essential care when most needed. They can stop or limit expensive treatments. They can make costs for administering them unaffordable.
Appointed bureaucrats that are NOT subject to Congressional oversight decide what's approved, what's not, what's limited, and what care costs.