[tomder55]

Yes Kalifornia is the big testing ground.. The emperor touts it's success. However ,it isn't working so well. Their exchange system is so successful that 3 of the major insurance companies in the nation are refusing to participate in Covered California . (United Health ,Aetna ,Cigna) The only thing successful about it is that Jerry Brown has been able to milk $910 billion out of the federal coffers . Instead of increasing the market and fostering competition ,the Kalifornia system is shrinking the number of providers and giving an even larger market share to Kaiser Permanante, Anthem Blue Cross, and Blue Shield . And who will pay for the lack of competition and the mandates imposed ? Well the Kalifornia consumer of course !
Especially the young and healthy who are trying to begin families and careers.
Implementing Obamacare: The rate-shock danger | The Economist

[paraclete]

Don't worry Tom soon you will only be able to afford one insurer and when that collapes under the weight...

[excon]

Hello again,

I have a supposition to make. In order to discuss my supposition, you'd have to agree with my premise, and I don't think the right wingers will..

My PREMISE is that, in spite of saying JOBS are their number #1 priority, abortion and voter ID laws are what they're actually DOING... However, in spite of the efforts to suppress the vote, the OPPOSITE happened, and the black people came out in droves. Obama won.

My supposition is, that what we witnessed in the Texas legislature, is just the beginning of the backlash against the war on women. In SPITE of gerrymandering gone wild, I predict the Democrats will take over the House in 2014.

excon

[tomder55]

Oh so it wasn't Hispanics that swung the vote in the Emperor's favor ? Hmmm . Actually it was the combination of lower white turnout because the milquetoast candidate the Repubics fielded ;the successful suppression of the conservative vote by the IRS ,and black women voters . Nationally, the voting rate among all women was about four percentage points higher than among all men. But among African-American voters, that gap was nearly nine percentage points.All that data-mining really helped .That is why the emperor defends the NSA blanket warrants .

And about those jobs? What is the black unemployment rate 4 1/2 years later ? And what are the Dems doing about it ? Oh yeah ,they are creating legislation to bring in more low wage immigrants to compete with the black work force.

Ex are you saying that tightened voter-registration laws result in greater participation on the part of blacks ? I agree ,it's good for blacks ,it's good for the integrity of the franchise .It's a win-win.

[paraclete]

;the successful suppression of the conservative vote by the IRS ,

Which planet do you live on. You need to prove that statement. The IRS may have delayed the registeration of some right wing organisations with political not charitable objectives but they did not make it a disadvantage to vote

[speechlesstx]

Hello again,

I have a supposition to make. In order to discuss my supposition, you'd have to agree with my premise, and I don't think the right wingers will..

My PREMISE is that, in spite of saying JOBS are their number #1 priority, abortion and voter ID laws are what they're actually DOING... However, in spite of the efforts to suppress the vote, the OPPOSITE happened, and the black people came out in droves. Obama won.

My supposition is, that what we witnessed in the Texas legislature, is just the beginning of the backlash against the war on women. In SPITE of gerrymandering gone wild, I predict the Democrats will take over the House in 2014.

excon

In Texas, you've probably heard the economy is pretty good and we've been recruiting businesses to keep moving here so the jobs thing is covered. We had time to protect women from butchers and stop murdering kids after 20 weeks.

As for your backlash and media orgasm, nice that libs are standing against the people (who overwhelmingly support this measure) and the powerless (the innocent child) in an attempt at mob rule.

[speechlesstx]

No, not a right-wing wacko update, a left-wing wacko update.

Bankrupt? Detroit leaders still chasing away jobs

Detroit lost a growing business this month and Detroit politicians cheered. The blue-collar jobs that Detroit Bulk Storage supports at its Detroit River loading dock will disappear this fall after U.S. Congressmen Gary Peters, D-Bloomfield Township, and John Conyers, D-Detroit, and state House Rep. Rashida Tlaib, D-Detroit, protested the loading of a coal-like energy source, petroleum coke, on barges for export to power plants. The Democratic frontrunner for Michigan’s 2014 Senate seat, Peters is already using his “victory” in a campaign ad to raise money.

But what about Detroit’s business base?

The loss of the pet coke loading business comes as Detroit also mourns the death of dynamic American Axle CEO Richard Dauch, coincidentally a few months after union intransigence had forced the demise of his huge Detroit auto parts plant at a loss of 300 jobs.

As Detroit struggles through bankruptcy, the Detroit Bulk Storage and American Axle stories are grim reminders of how political and union leadership still hinder job creation in Detroit. They are a lesson beyond Detroit’s borders. If Motown is to put Chapter 9 in its rear view mirror — and if America is to jump-start its economy — then its political class must partner with business to grow, not use it as a political punching bag.

Shaking my head...

[talaniman]

Of course there I more to the story than a poor businessman being run out of business

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ml#post3529456

Detroit Mayor orders Koch brothers company to clean up that disgusting mess which created a black cloud over the river | FreakOutNation

Detroit River - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why stop at one article when there is so much more? Oh and anybody that tells you coal is clean is an absolute LIAR, don't care who says it. IT WILL KILL YOU.

[smoothy]

Everyone get out the tin foil hats...

[speechlesstx]

Of course there I more to the story than a poor businessman being run out of business

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ml#post3529456

Detroit Mayor orders Koch brothers company to clean up that disgusting mess which created a black cloud over the river | FreakOutNation

Detroit River - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why stop at one article when there is so much more?? Oh and anybody that tells you coal is clean is an absolute LIAR, don't care who says it. IT WILL KILL YOU.

It isn't coal, and if you guys won't even talk because you're blinded by the thought it MIGHT hurt the environment then shut the hell up about squeal and repeal and obstruction. It's like your war on fracking in spite of the fact it's directly responsible for the shale gas boom and our reduction in CO2 emissions. Why do you guys hate science and jobs, and Canada which is where this pet coke us coming from?

[talaniman]

Well just dandy, we ignore the spills and breaks that have bubble up, here and Canada, that they clean up with bounty towels. How do you ignore the links of the places I have given you that they still haven't gotten the spills under control? Bet if it was YOUR neighborhood you would pay attention, or you river they polluted.

Anyone that grown up near a coal processing plant or steel mill or oil refinery knows coal, petroleum, and all it's forms, and derivatives. Why do you think we sell it to China?

[speechlesstx]

Well just dandy, we ignore the spills and breaks that have bubble up, here and Canada, that they clean up with bounty towels. How do you ignore the links of the places I have given you that they still haven't gotten the spills under control? Bet if it was YOUR neighborhood you would pay attention, or you river they polluted.

Anyone that grown up near a coal processing plant or steel mill or oil refinery knows coal, petroleum, and all it's forms, and derivatives. Why do you think we sell it to China?

Why do you ignore the current science and successes? You do know one of your seems just switched parties because of your nonexistent war on coal and jobs, right?

[talaniman]

The current science is a grid system that transfers clean energy all over the country efficiently and screw digging in the dirt.

XL Pipeline Leak is STILL a Disaster (w/ video) - Gas 2

Explain the successes to those people. I can dig progress and success, but what of safety, and the people it affects? Doesn't count because the profits just keep rolling.

Who need clean air, water, and soil.

[tomder55]

Anyone that grown up near a coal processing plant or steel mill or oil refinery knows coal, petroleum, and all it's forms, and derivatives.

Why don't you ask the people of West Virginia if they want to see the coal industry shut down like the emperor plans ?

[smoothy]

I grew up in the middle of that... Coal... natural gas and Steel... I don't want ANY of them shut down. THose three are a huge percentage of the jobs and economy of the entire region where I am from... its not as big a part as it once was... but then that's why the economy of the region is so bad... because there was and is nothing to replace it, not even the small part that went away. And its been well over 30 years since the dumping of Japanese steel decimated the regions economy.. (Thecollapse of the steel industry took out a large part of the coal industry ad all the supporting industries for both).and its never recovered.

[talaniman]

Get a clue Tom, its not up to the people who work everyday and get filthy, its up to the guy who owns the land and makes the profits. Why don't you ask the real workers why they have to die in those mines because the boss cut corners on safety? Or the ones denied benefits and insurance when those mines get closed, or moved.

You obviously have never been ordered into a hole before it was vented properly, ordered to pressurize a line before the concrete had set properly to hurry and save time and move a job along quickly to make profits. People die when you take short cut to save tie and money. Seems the human costs mean nothing to you capitalists.

You can hate unions and Obama all you want because it also mean you value profits over people too. And you expect your workers to die making the boss rich.

[speechlesstx]

Get a clue Tom, its not up to the people who work everyday and get filthy, its up to the guy who owns the land and makes the profits. Why don't you ask the real workers why they have to die in those mines because the boss cut corners on safety? Or the ones denied benefits and insurance when those mines get closed, or moved.

You obviously have never been ordered into a hole before it was vented properly, ordered to pressurize a line before the concrete had set properly to hurry up and save time and move a job along quickly to make profits. People die when you take short cut to save tie and money. Seems the human costs mean nothing to you capitalists.

You can hate unions and Obama all you want because it also mean you value profits over people too. And you expect your workers to die making the boss rich.

Again with the union crap, they did their job. We have so many regulations via OSHA, MSHA, etc. that that greedy business owner has to comply with and if they don't, they get smacked down. You forget, my business is safety and I work with a multitude of energy companies, construction businesses and a nuclear weapons facility. You don't get on their property without adhering to their safety requirements, so you can drop the "we must have unions to stay safe" nonsense - I KNOW what's required by the regulations and the corporations and it's mind boggling.

[excon]

Hello again, righty's:

Not moving further right?? Pick one for prez: Christy, Cruz, Paul, or Santorum. I would include Trump in that list, but this is a serious question.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Christie is no righty and Paul is a libertarian. You used to like libertarians, you used to regularly say "vote for Ron Paul."

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

I like RON. His son sucks. He's NO libertarian. He's a righty HIDING in libertarian clothes.

excon