[speechlesstx]

Touched a nerve did I?

There are many instances where you willfully post misinformation. I'll use your buddy smoothy's standard response: just search it yourself, I can't be bothered.

Speaking of lies, smoothy is not my buddy. You can be a coward or document your charges, but since you can't document that leaves one option.

[speechlesstx]

Thats a straw argument since the plan from the beginning was to use parlimentery tricks to obstruct, stall, and stop everything no matter what it was, and then blame the left for NOTHING working.

You're history challenged, too. Republicans made an overture from the beginning, Obama said "I won."

[talaniman]

That's a lie as all the republican overtures were designed to suck everybody into a negotiation that no matter what they would walk away from.

It was a stall tactic plain and simple. A stage for YOU guys to do what you do best, HOLLER, and BLAME.

[speechlesstx]

Thats a lie as all the republican overtures were designed to suck everybody into a negotiation that no matter what they would walk away from.

It was a stall tactic plain and simple. A stage for YOU guys to do what you do best, HOLLER, and BLAME.

Come on Tal, you've been leaning on that same excuse like a crutch too long. One need only recall it's been nearly 4 years since Dems in the Senate have passed a budget to see your side has culpability in this nonsense. You seem to think Democrats BS doesn't stink.

[talaniman]

You seem to think Democrats BS doesn't stink

Yeah it does, but not enough to hide the REPUBLICANS BS.

[speechlesstx]

Yeah it does, but not enough to hide the REPUBLICANS BS.

Most would never know, Republicans don't have the media covering for them.

[talaniman]

Wonder why the media is so against you guys and you have such little support? I thought this was a center right country, so where is your center right media?

Maybe what YOU guys read write and broadcast is not what everyone else reads writes, and broadcasts? Is that blaming someone else for your own shortcomings?

I think you guys don't handle rejection very well myself. You holler too much for the rest of the country, and your alternatives are unacceptable to most. Take some responsibility for your own failings for once, it won't hurt you, it will help.

[speechlesstx]

We've more than taken responsibility for Repubics shortcomings, waiting for you to reciprocate. The thing is you know Bush would not have gotten away with Benghazi, Fast and Furious, an EPA chief using an alias, the utter hypocrisy on transparency, all the late Friday news dumps, etc. The lamestream media would gave been relentless instead of turning a blind eye.

[speechlesstx]

In a sweet twist of fate environmental groups are suing the Interior Dept over their designated 'solar zones.'

Environmental Groups Sue DOI for Narrow Focus on Public Lands as Solar Zones

A legal battle is brewing between the Department of the Interior (DOI) and three public-interest environmental groups that claim the government failed to consider degraded lands for the siting of "destructive" utility-scale solar plants, and that it focused instead on millions of acres of public land when it established solar energy zones in six southwestern states.

A complaint filed with the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California on Tuesday by the Western Lands Project, Desert Protective Council, and Western Watersheds Project says the government’s analysis under the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) "ignored alternative approaches that would be less damaging to the environment, more efficient, and less costly to taxpayers and ratepayers."

The DOI in October 2012 finalized its Programmatic Environmental Impact Statement (PEIS), establishing an initial set of 17 solar energy zones totaling about 285,000 acres of public lands that would serve as priority areas for commercial-scale solar development. It essentially provides a blueprint for utility-scale solar energy permitting for solar power projects on public lands in six western states: Arizona, California, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, and Utah.
...

"Massive solar power plants will have irreversible, essentially permanent, impacts. The [Bureau of Land Management (BLM)] admits that ecological recovery after solar plants are decommissioned, if even possible, could take 3,000 years," the groups said.

“The Administration is opting to needlessly turn multiple-use public lands into permanent industrial zones.” said Janine Blaeloch of the Seattle-based Western Lands Project. “Solar development belongs on rooftops, parking lots, already-developed areas, and on degraded sites, not our public lands."

Funny how well-meaning libs either can't see the hypocrisy in their policies or just don't get they have consequences. Shut down thousands of acres of the most productive agricultural land on the planet to save a little fish instead of providing jobs and food for hungry people? You can't interfere with 'wetlands' like a tiny playa lake in the Texas Panhandle that may have water every few years, but you can kill bald eagles with windmills and cover pristine public wilderness with solar panels.

I've been virtually coast-to coast since September and I can't say how many ugly farms I saw ruining the view. Now I know why Ted Kennedy didn't want it in his back yard. Surely we can do better than cover the earth in windmills and solar panels.

[smoothy]

I think they actually want to cut down the rain forest to make that a solar zone too... if they have half a brain... the will make California a solar zone and send all the people up north. Prefferably to the artic circle.

[paraclete]

So they have found a use for the valley then? Hope it doesn't affect the fish or what ever it was that the EPA were protecting

[tomder55]

What about open space ? Seems to me that if they could reclaim degraded lands for siting ,it would be a better option than using 'pristine' Federal lands.

[paraclete]

You mean to say you have been holding out on us, there are pristine lands?

[tomder55]

More acres than populated by far .

[paraclete]

Is that by or so far

[speechlesstx]

By far.

[tomder55]

The Federal Government owns 50% of the land in the Western states and about 15% Eastern states. Most of it is undeveloped wilderness. A total of 30% of the United States. 650 million acres!! There is no way that much land ownership by the government is justified.

More important. There are many places in the Western states to place solar farms that would be equally suitable that are as the complaint noted ,degraded lands ;begging for reclamation.

[Wondergirl]

Are those degraded acres on federal lands?

[tomder55]

Are those degraded acres on federal lands?

The article doesn't specify .But the general idea is that they should not be on public lands.

The Administration is opting to needlessly turn multiple-use public lands into permanent industrial zones.” said Janine Blaeloch of the Seattle-based Western Lands Project. “Solar development belongs on rooftops, parking lots, already-developed areas, and on degraded sites, not our public lands."

[tomder55]

For my 2 cents ;I don't mind energy leases on Federal lands . I think the Feds own too much land anyway.