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cdad · Dec 18, 2012, 05:03 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

One person at the most possibly dies.

Actually this is situational. Its going to depend on proximity. You can kill faster with a knife then you can with a gun. The rule of thumb is 20ft. That is what is taught to police as the danger zone for a knife. If a person doesn't have a gun pulled they are on the losing side of the situation when closer then 20ft.

NeedKarma · Dec 18, 2012, 05:08 AM

You can kill faster with a knife then you can with a gun.

I would imagine those situations are rare.
Anyway this thread can go on and on but nothing will change I'm afraid. Desperate people will still exist and they will use the most efficient method to do damage.

J_9 · Dec 18, 2012, 05:16 AM

CDad... I want to thank you again for correcting me. I was at work and didn't have my husband available for corrections.

New info... 8 dead and 1 injured. The injured had a small laceration and was treated and released. To police. She was highly intoxicated. And driving. I suppose we should ban cars now? Or bring back prohibition?

cdad · Dec 18, 2012, 05:27 AM

Here are some videos in support of having a weapon handy. One is from a thread that was posted here.

Casper Police: Nail salon customer packs heat, gunman leaves

This is from a thread here:

12-year-old girl shoots intruder | Fox News Video

Thread discussion:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/firear...ms-713447.html

paraclete · Dec 18, 2012, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by califdadof3

The fact that we may need a weapon may be a sad commentary about the society we live in but if that is part of living here Im going to stay. If everyone were to carry then criminals would think twice before even pulling a gun as they would know they are outnumbered.

Dad it must be sad to live in your macho fantasyland where everyone is a hero and you can be sure everyone will do the right thing. If that were true crime would be a thing of the past because the Vigilante Committee led by Zoro would have cleaned it up by now. Maybe you can talk big Arnie into coming on board? He'll get the job done with a small body count, Wait a minute, why didn't he get the job done while he was govenator?

excon · Dec 18, 2012, 05:37 AM

Hello again,

A weapon for self protection ISN'T what we're talking about here. A lady in her house DOESN'T need a Bushmaster. She doesn't NEED a magazine that holds 100's of rounds. She doesn't need a Glock 10.

I believe we can do BOTH - protect the little old lady in her house, and protect our children.

excon

paraclete · Dec 18, 2012, 05:43 AM

Yes Ex it maybe possible to give her peace of mind, but protection, she would be safer with an electric fence I think this tells a story
Guns in America: An interactive look at the shocking facts | News.com.au

J_9 · Dec 18, 2012, 05:47 AM

An electric fence? Seriously? What planet do you live on to think that is protection?

cdad · Dec 18, 2012, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

A weapon for self protection ISN'T what we're talking about here. A lady in her house DOESN'T need a Bushmaster. She doesn't NEED a magazine that holds 100's of rounds. She doesn't need a Glock 10.

I believe we can do BOTH - protect the little old lady in her house, and protect our children.

excon

Then what are we talking about here? It seems some on this thread want to ban guns completely. What is your between solution ?

excon · Dec 18, 2012, 05:50 AM

Hello again,

Every freedom we enjoy has a cost. How big a cost are we willing to suffer for unfettered access to mass killing machines?

I believe we've reached the tipping point.

Do you remember how we once dealt with drunk drivers?? It was really OK. We didn't really DO anything to them. It was kind of accepted... Everybody did it..

Then, we reached the tipping point.

excon

excon · Dec 18, 2012, 05:58 AM

Hello d:

What is your between solution ?

I don't HAVE a solution. I support the Second Amendment, and I LOVE our children.

Excon

cdad · Dec 18, 2012, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

Each and every freedom we enjoy has a cost. How big a cost are we willing to suffer for unfettered access to mass killing machines??

I believe we've reached the tipping point.

Do you remember how we once dealt with drunk drivers??? It was really ok. We didn't really DO anything to them. It was kind of accepted... Everybody did it..

Then, we reached the tipping point.

excon

To me the cost of tipping over that point came at a very high price. In today's world of cellphones for mobile communication it could have been handled differently. Instead we got check points. Im not happy with that one. Having reasonable restrictions and limitations as a society is one thing. But the continious erosion of rights is another against law abiding citizens.

Without balance the conflict continues.

excon · Dec 18, 2012, 06:12 AM

Hello again, Dad:

Without balance the conflict continues.

Well, we managed REGULATE drunk driving WITHOUT curtailing your right to drink. I don't know WHY we couldn't find some middle ground here.

Excon

tomder55 · Dec 18, 2012, 06:24 AM

My middle ground... no one should own a nuke.

excon · Dec 18, 2012, 06:30 AM

Hello again, tom:

There are always a few dinosaurs. But, your party has moved LEFTWARD. The right wing has been REPUDIATED - FIRST by the election, and SECOND by the massacre of our children.

Jump on board or be left behind.

excon

tomder55 · Dec 18, 2012, 08:26 AM

So now you blame a massacre of children by a wacko to "right wing" ? Why am I not surprise ?

speechlesstx · Dec 18, 2012, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

so now you blame a massacre of children by a wacko to "right wing" ? Why am I not suprise ?

Must be the fault of that "different America" you know.

I'll talk about (more) gun control when someone talks about fast and furious. Apparently it's OK to kill Mexicans and Border Patrol agents.

tomder55 · Dec 18, 2012, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Must be the fault of that "different America" you know.

I'll talk about (more) gun control when someone talks about fast and furious. Apparently it's OK to kill Mexicans and Border Patrol agents.

Yes ,and the only massacre the President failed to mention happened at Fort Hood.

excon · Dec 18, 2012, 09:16 AM

Hello again, wingers:

I KNEW you wouldn't be going along... The nation has taken a turn and is leaving you behind. We're just informing you to watch you squawk about it.

excon

speechlesstx · Dec 18, 2012, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, wingers:

I KNEW you wouldn't be going along... The nation has taken a turn and is leaving you behind. We're just informing you to watch you squawk about it.

excon

And you know every time you do it only drives gun sales higher. We'll be loaded for bear and then some.