[N0help4u]

Cats rule Dogs drool
Cats only let people THINK they own them :D

[Ren6]

I have to spread the rep, but yes... the cat chooses the life-style? Insane!

[HelpinHere]

Hmm...
well, that's your opinion. Lol. To each his/her own.

Well, let's see. The cats want to live. They follow the mice. The mice want to live. They run to the barn. The cats follow the mice to the barn.

Now, the people can either:

1: Accept a burden they didn't invite and take every cat that appears on their property to get fixed. (not counting kittens, just full grown cats) That's up to 13 cats a month. (we usually had more when I was living on a farm). Now, the owner CAN get them all fixed, but you can calculate the cost yourself. Many of the cats leave, because scared of the horses/cattle/people/etc. or die (:() but few stay. I don't think anyone realistically living on a farm could afford to fix them all. By the time they figure out which ones are there to stay, the cats are usually either too wild to catch, and expect them to stay after, or they could already be pregnant.

2: Accept the responsibility "having" a cat entails, and realize they can't take care of the cats. Even though, like N0help said, people don't really own cats. (agree completely on that) Take every cat they get to the vet. They can't, you would go broke. Kick the cats out so it's not their problem. Then, their food gets eaten by mice, the mice multiply because the cats aren't there to catch them. The cats do not have a (semi)warm place to sleep, and are separated from their food, leading too much more cat deaths.

3: Let the cats be there. The cats get the mice. Help the farm, which in turn helps the world (think about this happening on every farm everywhere) a little bit from starvation. Control the rodent population. Plus, the cats get a barn to sleep in (or under a car, or wherever they choose), they get food in the winter, when there are less mice (this is how we did it, and how Taylor says she does it) get vet care when it is essential (like the original point of this thread). They multiply, true. However, the cats born will be born either way. Wouldn't you rather baby kittens be born starving, or with plenty of mice around?

I have explored all three options. The third one is the most humane one. There is nothing you can do, while saving enough money to sustain yourselves, to take care of all of the cats.

Do you have a better solution?

And, before you say it, you CAN'T catch all of the ones you can't afford and take it in to a shelter. We tried that also, but they wouldnt' accept more than X cats a month from us (don't remember exact number, but I'm sure it changes depending on location)

Call me crazy, insane, loco, not fit to post on AMHD, whatever, but I've been there, I've experienced it, and I know that this is the best alternative.

Again, any better ideas?

[N0help4u]

THE CAT DIARY

DAY 752 - My captors continue to taunt me with bizarre little dangling objects. They dine lavishly on fresh meat, while I am forced to eat dry cereal. The only thing that keeps me going is the hope of escape, and the mild satisfaction I get from ruining the occasional piece of furniture. Tomorrow I may eat another houseplant.

DAY 761 - Today my attempt to kill my captors by weaving around their feet while they were walking almost succeeded, must try this at the top of the stairs. In an attempt to disgust and repulse these vile oppressors, I once again induced myself to vomit on their favorite chair... must try this on their bed.

DAY 762 - Slept all day so that I could annoy my captors with sleep depriving, incessant pleas for food at ungodly hours of the night.

DAY 765 - Decapitated a mouse and brought them the headless body, in attempt to make them aware of what I am capable of, and to try to strike fear into their hearts. They only cooed and condescended about what a good little cat I was... Hmmm. Not working according to plan...

DAY 768 - I am finally aware of how sadistic they are. For no good reason I was chosen for the water torture. This time however it included a burning foamy chemical called "shampoo." What sick minds could invent such a liquid. My only consolation is the piece of thumb still stuck between my teeth.

DAY 771 - There was some sort of gathering of their accomplices. I was placed in solitary throughout the event. However, I could hear the noise and smell the foul odor of the glass tubes they call "beer." More importantly I overheard that my confinement was due to MY power of "allergies." Must learn what this is and how to use it to my advantage.

DAY 774 - I am convinced the other captives are flunkies and maybe snitches. The dog is routinely released and seems more than happy to return. He is obviously a half-wit. The Bird on the other hand has got to be an informant. He has mastered their frightful tongue. (something akin to mole speak) and speaks with them regularly. I am certain he reports my every move. Due to his current placement in the metal room his safety is assured. But I can wait, it is only a matter of time...

DAY 183 OF MY CAPTIVITY

My captors continue to taunt me with bizarre little dangling objects. They dine lavishly on fresh meat, while I am forced to eat dry cereal. The only thing that keeps me going is the hope of escape, and the mild satisfaction I get from ruining the occasional piece of furniture.

Tomorrow I may eat another house plant.

Today my attempt to kill my captors by weaving around their feet while they were walking, almost succeeded; must try this at the top of the stairs next time. In an attempt to disgust and repulse them, I again induced myself to vomit on their favorite chair. (Note-to-self: I think I'll try urinating under their bed, too. Wonder how long it'll take them to find it?)

Decapitated a mouse and brought them the headless body, to make them aware of what I am capable of, and to try to strike fear into their hearts. They only cooed and condescended about what a good little cat I was. Not working according to plan. There was some sort of gathering of their accomplices. I was placed in solitary confinement throughout the event. However, I could hear the noise and smell the food.

More importantly I overheard that my confinement was due to MY power of "allergeez." Must learn what this is and how to use it to my advantage. I am convinced the other captives are flunkies and may be snitches. The dogs are routinely released and seem more than happy to return. They must obviously be half-wits.

The bird, on the other hand, appears to have become an informant, and speaks with them regularly. I am certain he reports my every move. Due to his current placement in the metal room, his safety is preserved. But I can wait; it's only a matter of time...

DAY 185 OF MY CAPTIVITY

It is now my 185th day in captivity. My captors have completely eliminated my canned food and replaced it with dry kibble, claiming that it is better for my health. The wet food was the only thing I looked forward too, and now even that has been taken from me. I have discovered, however, that the dry food serves to create sharper points on my teeth, and keeps them stronger. I must force myself to consume it, regardless of the taste.

Each morning, they read pages of what is called a newspaper. I found that it is particularly annoying to my captors if I lie on it while they read. Shredding the newspaper is also a particular peeve of theirs, and I have taken delight in doing this before they awake each morning.

My captors have now obtained a "fish tank" - which serves to make up for part of my loss in the food department. While the little creatures are tiny, they are quite tasty. They have yet to replace the two small fish that I have consumed. I must think of a way to make them notice the loss.

The bird continues to mock me. Its little metal room has proven stronger than originally anticipated...

DAY 201 OF MY CAPTIVITY

I'm unsure of my ability to survive as a captive and have made several attempts to break out. At first, it was simple enough to circle my captors feet, in a surreptitious manner, as they opened the front door. I would then bolt from them through the door to freedom. But, to no avail - they caught me in a manner of minutes - my legs are not as fast as they used to be and I grow weak with continued imprisonment. What is worse is that since the first attempt, I have now found myself separated from the living room. My captors are much more intelligent than originally anticipated...

For entertainment, I have taken to terrorizing the dogs by sitting on the kitchen table and swiping at them with my long nails. The dogs are obvious half-wits. They know very little about my skills as a hunter, and are forbidden by my captors to attack me. The dogs grow more irritated each day.

I have found my captors are easy to manipulate in many ways, but outdoor access remains elusive. I have not lost hope, however, and have every intention of escaping this horrid place one-day soon...

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[JudyKayTee]

Hmm...
well, that's your opinion. lol. To each his/her own.

Well, let's see. The cats want to live. They follow the mice. The mice want to live. They run to the barn. The cats follow the mice to the barn.

Now, the people can either:

1: Accept a burden they didn't invite and take every cat that appears on their property to get fixed. (not counting kittens, just full grown cats) That's up to 13 cats a month. (we usually had more when I was living on a farm). Now, the owner CAN get them all fixed, but you can calculate the cost yourself. Many of the cats leave, because scared of the horses/cattle/people/etc., or die (:() but few stay. I don't think anyone realistically living on a farm could afford to fix them all. By the time they figure out which ones are there to stay, the cats are usually either too wild to catch, and expect them to stay after, or they could already be pregnant.

2: Accept the responsibility "having" a cat entails, and realize they can't take care of the cats. Even though, like N0help said, people don't really own cats. (agree completely on that) Take every cat they get to the vet. They can't, you would go broke. Kick the cats out so it's not their problem. Then, their food gets eaten by mice, the mice multiply because the cats aren't there to catch them. The cats do not have a (semi)warm place to sleep, and are seperated from their food, leading to much more cat deaths.

3: Let the cats be there. The cats get the mice. Help the farm, which in turn helps the world (think about this happening on every farm everywhere) a little bit from starvation. Control the rodent population. Plus, the cats get a barn to sleep in (or under a car, or wherever they choose), they get food in the winter, when there are less mice (this is how we did it, and how Taylor says she does it) get vet care when it is essential (like the original point of this thread). They multiply, true. However, the cats born will be born either way. Wouldn't you rather baby kittens be born starving, or with plenty of mice around?

I have explored all three options. The third one is the most humane one. There is nothing you can do, while saving enough money to sustain yourselves, to take care of all of the cats.

Do you have a better solution?

And, before you say it, you CAN'T catch all of the ones you can't afford and take it in to a shelter. We tried that also, but they wouldnt' accept more than X cats a month from us (don't remember exact number, but I'm sure it changes depending on location)

Call me crazy, insane, loco, not fit to post on AMHD, whatever, but I've been there, I've experienced it, and I know that this is the best alternative.

Again, any better ideas?

I find your conclusion that cats choose a lifestyle to be preposterous. You have responded with a lengthy post about what will solve the problem of too many cats. The cause of and solution to that situation have been pretty much talked to death.

My response was totally to the "cats choosing lifestyle" portion of your answer, which you still haven't addressed.

I do not believe cats "choose" anything, any more than dogs "choose" anything. They are animals. They do not have the basic intelligence to sit around and pick out where they want to live. They are driven by a need for shelter, food, companionship and, yes, sex. I see no "choice" in that on their part.

You apparently didn't read some of the other answers or you wouldn't have made the "or would you prefer to cats to be born starving" comment which, by the way, I find unnecessarily argumentative - do you really think anyone is going to say, "Yes, I think they should be born and then starve to death"? That question simply puts people on the defensive.

In the "animal choosing" category I hear - in rescue work - all the time: "And then my dog ran away." Ran away or got out, got lost, for whatever reason couldn't get back?

[HelpinHere]

Okay, now I see what you meant JKT... I wasn't sure what you were trying to say at first, :p

Hmm... maybe "choose" wasn't the best word... let me rephrase please.

Cats naturally seek out a means of survival, and that lifestyle is what they find.

Better? (sorry, I didn't even realize how inappropriate the word "choose" was in this situation.)
However, I still stand by my position, and every thing I intended... not necessarilly how it was worded, but what I meant...

And as for the "would you rather" question, purely hypothetical, as I do know that no one posting in this thread would want cats, esp. baby kittens, to starve.

[artlady]

Peroxide for a deep wound is not recommended.While getting rid of bacteria,it also can eat away healthy tissue.Defeating the purpose.
Saline solution is recommended and then antibiotic ointment and wrap with gauze.Wrap it up well so the mother can't keep licking at it.
Saline solution is inexpensive as is gauze.The gauze needs to be changed daily,with the entire procedure repeated.

[ragstoriches]

My cat had the same thing and I took him to humane society and they said it could possibly be rabies, well the only way to find out for sure, is to take out the brain, well a week later they told me it wasn't, which I already knew because he was acting himself. Not all people are born and bred with money, and for you people out there who were, keep your nasty opinions to yourself please

[shazamataz]

my cat had the same thing and i took him to humane society and they said it could possibly be rabies, well the only way to find out for sure, is to take out the brain, well a week later they told me it wasn't, which i already knew because he was acting himself. not all people are born and bred with money, and for you people out there who were, keep your nasty opinions to yourself please

The problem has been solved, please read all answers before responding.
Nobody gave nasty opinions, just the plain and simple truth.
If you don't have money, don't have pets.

[JudyKayTee]

my cat had the same thing and i took him to humane society and they said it could possibly be rabies, well the only way to find out for sure, is to take out the brain, well a week later they told me it wasn't, which i already knew because he was acting himself. not all people are born and bred with money, and for you people out there who were, keep your nasty opinions to yourself please

Did you read the thread? The question was answered some time ago.

And don't even begin to "order" who will or will not answer you or in what manner. Kindly read the rules of the site. If you don't want opinions, don't post.

[Unknown008]

my cat had the same thing and i took him to humane society and they said it could possibly be rabies, well the only way to find out for sure, is to take out the brain, well a week later they told me it wasn't, which i already knew because he was acting himself. not all people are born and bred with money, and for you people out there who were, keep your nasty opinions to yourself please

Grah! Trolls again!

Take out the brain! That would definitely kill the poor kitten! :mad:

And in addition, very rude and careless!

[shazamataz]

artlady agrees: I didn't know it was taken care of or I would have let it go.Time to start reading the entire thread.OOPS :)

I wasn't going off at you, I know yours was an accident :)

What I found offensive was the rude comment from "ragstoriches"

[HelpinHere]

Grah! Trolls again!

Take out the brain!? That would definitely kill the poor kitten! :mad:

And in addition, very rude and careless!

Sorry Unknown, had to spread the rep. It looks like you don't really need it anyway! ;)

But, seriously, it's like
"Okay, you don't have rabies, I guess you can have your brai... Ooh, that's right"
*later that night, calls the family*
"I'm sorry, but your kitten had rabies and we had to put it down."

I mean, seriously, only a quack vet would recommend removing the brain for ANY reason, except POSTHUMOUS investigations... maybe.

[shazamataz]

I do believe the only way to know for sure is to actually remove the brain...
I don't know if that is true or not as we don't have rabies here...

However, that would only be done after the animal had died, not as a diagnosis tool!
They would observe the animal before making that sort of call.

Also isn't the rabies vaccine a requirement by law?

[HelpinHere]

Hmm... it is required by law for OUTDOOR cats here. Indoor cats, no. However, the laws may be different for rags. I seriously doubt that he would be taking care of his animals if he actually even considered that "vet's" advice, seems crazy to me.

And he comes here to bash our treatment of animals... *sigh*

[JudyKayTee]

Sorry Unknown, had to spread the rep. It looks like you don't really need it anyway! ;)

But, seriously, it's like
"Okay, you don't have rabies, I guess you can have your brai... Ooh, that's right"
*later that night, calls the family*
"I'm sorry, but your kitten had rabies and we had to put it down."

I mean, seriously, only a quack vet would recommend removing the brain for ANY reason, except POST-Partum investigations... maybe.

Had to smile - Post Partum?

[HelpinHere]

Yeah... well, I'm tired, don't judge me! >_>
Lol

There, I edited it to posthumously, happy? :p


Thanks, that was a stupid mistake, you caught it so that I could edit it, :P

[JudyKayTee]

Yeah... well, I'm tired, don't judge me! >_>
lol

There, I edited it to posthumously, happy? :p


Thanks, that was a stupid mistake, you caught it so that I could edit it, :P

I thought it was funny - no question what you meant but apparently childbirth was on your mind.

No harm, no foul. (Or fowl, depending on the board it's on)

[handyamby]

Yes they do in fact have to test brain tissue to test for rabbies. And saline solution will not do anything to this type of bot fly larvae, although good for a regular wound.

[shazamataz]

Hmm... it is required by law for OUTDOOR cats here. Indoor cats, no. However, the laws may be different for rags. I seriously doubt that he would be taking care of his animals if he actually even considered that "vet's" advice, seems crazy to me.

And he comes here to bash our treatment of animals... *sigh*

Ahhh OK, cheers, wasn't sure.
I'm limited with my knowledge of American law to what I have read on this board haha
It's good though, now I know I have to be 16 before I can have sex with a 40 year old man :rolleyes:

We all say silly things helping, gawd knows what I have typed early in the morning that I don't rememeber doing!