[J_9]

Keeping people in the dark? Education is power.

Now, look at places like Liberia. They have little sanitation, they live in close knit quarters, they are mostly illiterate, eat the meat of the fruit bat that carries the disease, no access to adequate medical care, and have weakened immune systems. Here in the US, we are quite the opposite.

I don't agree greed with sending troops there with only 4 hours of training. And I do think we should close the borders of the infected countries, but I don't think the amount of paranoia here, from only one dead person, is acceptable.

[smoothy]

I totally agree education is power. That's exactly why information is kept from people world wide. Some places more often than others. The more educated and knowledgible a person is, the less control the government has over them. Access to Information is controlled to maintain control over the masses, and that how its always been, Brute force hasn't always been enough.

[paraclete]

Very soon some governments may have less population to control meanwhile the big nations can sit snuggly back as they have always done.

[J_9]

That would be West African countries.

Although I do see the possibility of it running rampant in places like China as well.

[paraclete]

China will do what they did before and close their borders, no we have to be more careful with returning aid workers, for the time being that is where the risk lies and also with the military deployed to west africa

[tickle]

Clete, any country that is well prepared to deal with ebola is a step forward in the right direction. That is what 'good' it does. If they can send an infected person to a closer source that is well prepared, that means that there ia a good chance of infection NOT spreading.

[paraclete]

From your mouth to God's ear tickle

[tomder55]

Now we have a case in NYC . The infected person is a doctor from Doctors without borders . He came back here ;followed all the protocols ,passed right through all the new screening put in place and comingled throughout the city ;including riding the subways , an Uber cab ,ate in a restaurant ,and took in a few rounds of bowling before his symptoms were detected .
During a presser last night ,Guv Cuomo and NYC Mayor Sandinista de Blasio congratulated themselves for a job well done. Why ? Because health care workers got a 3 hr crash course at the Javits Center. To his credit ,Cuomo has reversed his position and now says that some flights from the infected areas should be banned .

[smoothy]

If they were so well prepared to deal with it... these people would NOT be coming in at all. One of the Airports the President Obola has designated as Ebola Infection spreading location points isn't the one closest to him, Washington National Airport, or the one in lefty land, Baltimore-Washington International Airport.....it had to be the one in a RED state , Dulles International Airport. Which Pi**ES me off so much because its dangerously close to where I live and unlike BWI, its in a densely populated area. Assuming ANY had to be in this region at all. Which I feel did NOT have to be.

[tickle]

I find your response to my post pretty rude, clete. Could you not have thought of a better one under the circumstances ?

[J_9]

Looks like my small rural hospital is more prepared. We already have our negative pressure rooms up and running. We have a plan as to how to move the patient(s) from triage to the negative pressure rooms without them coming into contact with anyone else. They will be assigned two nurses (the first nurses who come into contact with said patient) around the clock unless or until Ebola is confirmed. These nurses will alternate 4 hour shifts spending their off time in negative pressure rooms.

Training how to dress out comes next week. We must be able to dress out properly, without fail, or we cannot work until we pass. This goes for all nurses in our hospital, not just the ER nurses.

While the NYC infection seems scary, we have to remember that the infected person is not contagious until they exhibit symptoms. We also must remember that this is not airborne. Unless he were flinging poop or splattering blood in the uber cab or the bowling alley, everyone should be just fine.

[Alty]

J, you already said what I was going to say. The doctor that has now been diagnosed, was not contagious when he was in the restaurant, the cab, or any of the other places he had gone, as he had not yet exhibited any symptoms. Even if he had symptoms he could not contaminate anyone unless he pooped on someone, puked on someone, bled on someone, and those fluids got into that persons eyes, mouth, nose, or an open wound, just as J said.

This is the 3rd case in the US, and this man did not contract the virus from anyone in the US.

Frankly, and this may sound harsh, I think the solution to this is to treat those in Africa, but not allow anyone from the regions where this is spreading, to leave. Those that wish to leave should be help in quarantine for a month before they're allowed to travel. But that's just what I feel.

[talaniman]

For sure we know they have no facilities for a proper quarantine in West Africa for citizens or health care volunteers. They are building them. We have the facilities and resources to quarantine and treat these people so why wouldn't we? They are Americans and if they can't come home and get help then shame on us. Bad enough our troops are treated poorly after serving their country, so those humanitarians don't have a chance.

Quarantine them when they get off the plane would be the simple solution. Just cannot believe a great nation has so much trouble doing the right thing for our best and brightest, that have served so diligently.

[Alty]

True Tal. Have to mention that I'm not American though, so my thought process may be a bit different than yours. As of right now (knock on wood) Ebola isn't even mentioned on the news regarding where I live. We see the news coming from the US, and that's all we see, Ebola, Ebola, Ebloa. It hasn't come to Canada, and I sincerely hope it doesn't.

I agree that Quarantining anyone that's coming from Africa, is the best way to go. But they're not doing that. If they were doing that, this doctor wouldn't have slipped through the cracks. He came from a highly infected area, and he's a doctor so he's actually in contact with these patients, and he was not only able to get a flight, but allowed to get on, and off the plane, go home and no one once thought "hey, maybe he should be quarantined". That's insane!

He's the 3rd person in the US with the illness, and I'm still saying that this is not something to be this deeply concerned about, not worthy of 24/7 new coverage, but if they don't start setting protocols for dealing with the people flying in from Africa, then it could get to the point where it actually is newsworthy. They need to stop reporting on all the things they plan to do, and all the safety measures in place, and actually start acting on them!

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

[smoothy]

Until they start bringing a large percentage of them in only a 10 minute drive from where you live, and you know people that work at that airport. Then there is very good resons to be concerned.

[paraclete]

Once again the media is milking the problem for all its worth, this week Ebola, last week ISIS, and all this in the middle of an election campaign, there is an election campaign going on over there, isn't there? Or is this just a diversion? Like the media has suddenly discovered news that has crossed that local divide.

But ebola is a world wide problem, the US is asking us to send medical staff, not that we have much call for treating tropical diseases here, so I expect we will be sending some lambs to the slaughter who have to be rescued, I see RAAF aircraft crisscrossing Africa in the future, still makes a change from Iraq. I think those close to the problem should do the heavy lifting and we should turn our considerable medical research resourse to finding a cure

[Alty]

I saw on the news the other day that Canada is sending a vaccine made in Canada to combat Ebola. Because of the outbreak they're giving up 2/3's of their supply of this vaccine to help. I don't know a lot about this, only what I heard on the news and that wasn't enough to talk about it with any conviction or answer any questions. All I know, according to the news cast I caught the tail end of, is that Canada has been working on a vaccine for Ebola for years now, and has come up with one that works. We have limited supply of this vaccine, but we're sending the majority of it to Africa to help combat this before it gets out of hand.

I'll try to find a link to explain it further.

Here's a link:

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&...77880786,d.aWw

[tomder55]

Frankly, and this may s

ound harsh, I think the solution to this is to treat those in Africa, but not allow anyone from the regions where this is spreading, to leave. Those that wish to leave should be help in quarantine for a month before they're allowed to travel. But that's just what I feel.

Right on !

For sure we know they have no facilities for a proper quarantine in West Africa for citizens or health care volunteers.

Sengal and Nigeria are now ebola free. How did they get to that point ? With a travel ban.

[paraclete]

Tom you know as well as I do no one wants to do the hard yards of appearing heartless and limiting the right to travel, those who have been willing to be sensible in this will win while the dogooders will reap the problems. The answer is to treat the disease on the ground, to destroy the coupses and affected buildings in the time honoured fashion; by fire. This may seem harsh and cut across religious and cultural norms, but what is better, for the living to survive or the dead spread the disease. I watched a doco the other day of a housekeeper of a dead woman who was going to go back to living in the house, she actually though she could clean the house when people covered head to foot are catching the disease and I wonder how many more are like her, in complete denial of the risks

[tickle]

They are trying to treat their own ill, within the family, and when one dies, they leave them in the street. I think I said this before. Inhabitants of Sierra Leone are completely ignorant of what they are dealing with.

And, Alty, they don't want to hear that Canada donated vacine, that is why I didn't write about it.