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    #141

    Apr 21, 2014, 11:04 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Money corrupts, eliminate the money, you eliminate the corruption. At least some of it. If money is the root of all evil, why do we patronize it?
    how many cliches can you fit in one paragraph? Money is not the root of all evil . The proper quote is “For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil” 1 Tim 6:10
    Money is neutral ,neither evil or good. It is an instrument ,and if there is evil done with it ,it is the user that is the problem.

    Money doesn't corrupt .. power does.
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    Apr 21, 2014, 11:17 AM
    Not at this time when new candidates can be cherry picked and influenced by powerful self interests that may not represent the citizens. Plus the learning curve of process, policy, and procedures makes compromise and consensus prohibitive.

    In a perfect world experience is an asset that can serve the people, not just govern them. The world isn't perfect I know, but you have to keep striving to get better and not just be told what's good for you or where your interest lies. It's the lack of dialog that breeds conflict and contention, and the vacuum that's created by division lends itself to stagnation and exploitation.

    Extremism grows on both sides and drowns out the consensus the people want. It's the lack of government that gives rise to the despotism we are faced with. There is no asset in letting a newbie develop policy and procedure so to hell with term limits, let make sure we have some experience in the mix. Stop the money and let the incumbents run on the record of their accomplishments.

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    #143

    Apr 21, 2014, 11:21 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    how many cliches can you fit in one paragraph? Money is not the root of all evil . The proper quote is “For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil” 1 Tim 6:10
    Money is neutral ,neither evil or good. It is an instrument ,and if there is evil done with it ,it is the user that is the problem.

    Money doesn't corrupt .. power does.
    POWER=MONEY. Do the math.
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    #144

    Apr 21, 2014, 11:30 AM
    ? there is nothing more powerful in this country and perhaps the world than the US Government .
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    #145

    Apr 21, 2014, 12:05 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Both parties have done that and if you hang Harry, and Nancy, you have to get them all.
    We have a couple on our side that could stand to go to the old folks home as well. HARRY and NANCY are just the two worst offenders. Not the only two.
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    #146

    Apr 21, 2014, 03:25 PM
    didn't say experience doesn't count . I'm not proposing one and done. But they grow moss quickly on Capitol Hill . If it's good enough for the Presidency ,it should be good enough for the other law makers.
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    #147

    Apr 22, 2014, 04:43 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    We have a couple on our side that could stand to go to the old folks home as well. HARRY and NANCY are just the two worst offenders. Not the only two.
    so you don't respect experience
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    #148

    Apr 22, 2014, 05:04 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    so you don't respect experience
    Experience is one thing... but when it morphs into senility and arrogance... then no I don't.
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    #149

    Apr 22, 2014, 02:36 PM
    so term limits and a review of age criteria then
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    #150

    Apr 22, 2014, 04:14 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    so term limits and a review of age criteria then
    Many have discussed a figure of 12 years as a term limit. The reasoning goes something like: that's long enough to get your personal agenda acted on but not long enough to become 'entrenched' in the D.C. culture.
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    #151

    Apr 22, 2014, 05:01 PM
    yes for a representative you would have faced the electorate an sufficient number of times and for a Senator you would have approached the point at which arrogance cuts in but there should be age limits say 70 or 75 you want someone sharp in these positions I've noticed some of our top politicians step out at about 10 years while others appear to be cemented in place
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    #152

    Apr 25, 2014, 05:16 AM
    More proof the Obama government is planning to violate everyone's second amendment rights...

    Department of Energy wants bulk explosives for nuclear weapons transport |

    The Government buying explosives is not new. But when they do something new – that's why we should pay attention.
    In a new solicitation posted 22 April 2014, the Department of Energy's (DOE) National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) Contracts and Procurement Division (CPD) is searching for a source capable of providing Integral Firing Devices and Breacher Strip Assemblies that meet specific characteristics in support of the NNSA's Office of Secure Transportation (OST). The mission of OST is the safe and secure transportation of nuclear weapons, special nuclear materials, selected non-nuclear weapons components, limited-life components, and various other materials.

    continued next post.........
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    #153

    Apr 25, 2014, 05:16 AM
    Why use explosives for breaching?

    Breaching using explosives is primarily an operation performed by highly trained experts, such as combat engineers. Breaching can be performed with a specially formed breaching charge placed in contact with the door, or with various standoff breaching devices, such as specialized rifle grenades like the SIMON breach grenade. Explosive breaching charges can range from highly focused methods, such as detcord, plastic explosives, or strip shaped charges that explosively cut through doors or latches, to large satchel charges, containing 20 pounds (9 kg) of C-4, that can breach even reinforced concrete bunkers. – Source
    In this era of belt-tightening by tax payers, this solicitation is specious for many reasons.

    1. The Department of Energy has never solicited for Integral Firing Devices and Breacher Strip Assemblies in the past 10 years
    2. As the image above shows, they are requesting 9,000 units. If used once a day, this amount would last the DOE over 24 years
    3. Breaching strips are used for BREAKING into a secure building or room. If the DOE is only moving nuclear weapons/materials, they should already have the keys. No?

    The DOE was very specific on the breaching materials.

    • Shall contain (Primasheet 1000) with detection agent (TAGGANT).
    • Shall comply with the ANTITERRORISM AND EFFECTIVE DEATH PENALTY ACT of 1996.
    • Shall be 100% lead free.
    • Strips shall be sealed in weatherproof wrap.
    • Size: ¾ inch width by 86 inch length by 0.0836 (C2)
    • Shall contain ¼ of a MK140 Booster rolled and secured with Primasheet 1000.
    • Shall use a 12 inch 54-grain Detonation Cord and Slip-on Booster (EBCO).
    • Charge shall not exceed Net Explosive Weight (NEW) of 0.3382 lbs.
    • Each Charge shall be individually wrapped in a vacuum-sealed bag and placed into a fiberboard case.
    • Must be pre-packaged in an integrated package strip.

    The material being requested, Primasheet, was ordered by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in August of 2012, whereupon DHS “hid” the solicitation. Primasheet is also used in the railroad industry and for general demolition.
    This solicitation is senseless.
    We are broke as a country, nuclear weapons or material should not be anywhere near demolition explosives, and 9,000 units of anything is an excessive amount for training. This is more about breaching into the homes or storage units of honest citizens than it is about moving nuclear material.
    And like always, Congress will be silent while the Executive Branch stocks up supplies against the citizens that pay for the weapons.
    Contributed by James Smith of Prepper Podcast Radio Network.
    James is a father of four and grandfather to four cute little bugs. He and his wife Beautiful Gorgeous, of almost 30 years, have been prepping since 2003. They live in a small town, with neighbors as close as 10 feet away and have raised chickens for 3 years covertly on less than 1/5 of an acre. When his wife discovered he had chickens (about 2 weeks after he bought them) she nearly left him! However, his charm won her over to them, although she does not interact with them.
    He is the host of The Covert Prepper Show heard on Saturday evenings. All shows can be heard and downloaded from the Prepper Podcast Radio Network.
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    #154

    Apr 25, 2014, 05:25 AM
    paranoia
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    #155

    Apr 25, 2014, 05:27 AM
    Not parnoia , its reality... and was backed up by actual documented requests gotten under the freedom of information act.

    I only copied the test part of the article the original has photos of those items.
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    #156

    Apr 25, 2014, 05:57 AM
    Nothing paranoid about preppers is there.
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    #157

    Apr 25, 2014, 05:58 AM
    Not when you got Tyranical maniacs like Obama bent on destroying the country... and the productive class there isn't.
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    #158

    Apr 25, 2014, 06:33 AM
    Prepping for another civil war by those that deny results of the last one is paranoid. If minorities engaged in the same words, thoughts, and actions, you would be outraged. That kind of paranoid makes one a closed mind isolationist, separated from rational and the real.

    Defending their lunacy doesn't help.
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    #159

    Apr 25, 2014, 06:39 AM
    When you have the assults on the American Public by DHS, Ewic Holder, Obama.. ETC... ETC... ETC...

    WHy are they buying up so much ammunition its causing prices to double and triple in the market, then you have that last one where they are being dishonest about why they are requesting those explosives... then Obamacare where half the people will be gettign almost free health case that the productive halve will be forced to pay for.. along with their own.

    There is every legitimate reason in the world to be prepping.

    The real lunacy is what today's Democrat party has become... John F Kennedy would be called a radical conservative if he suddenly arose from his grave today.
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    #160

    Apr 25, 2014, 06:51 AM
    If the loony fringe is stockpiling guns and weapons like the terrorists are shouldn't the government do the same? The NRA loves the business the gun industry gets. Lawful reasonable people have no fear of their doors getting kicked in, and I am sure you want the government to be able to kick a door in of a terrorist plotting to kill people don't you?

    Its not like we can depend on the militia types to protect us from lone wolf terrorists and violent subversives because they are to busy locked away in their own bunkers waiting to be breached by the government. Useless and dangerous and well armed.

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