[speechlesstx]

Hello Steve:

I dunno if I posted about it or not, but I'm not into extra Constitutional activities.

excon

You're also not as apoplectic about it as you were Bush. Guess it depends on who's in office, eh?

[tomder55]

Funny thing is I don't get apoplectic thinking about the President authorizing the wack of a senior AQ leader ;a guy who sent a jihadist on a plane to blow it up on Christmas over a major US city .

[excon]

Hello again,

Droning deserves its own thread, and I gave it one..

excon

[tomder55]

Obama 2.0... early indications is that all those Millenials that he organized for his campaign ;and who voted for him at 60% ,are being thrown under the bus.
The recent unemployment numbers went up across the board . But the young-uns are being left behind big time . The number for 18-29 years old is 16. 2% according to Generation Opportunity
Generation Opportunity
53.6% of college graduates are unemployed or underemployed. That's 4 years into the worse recovery since the Great Depression.
The American people had the good sense to oust Jimmy Carter in 1980. I think we are about to see what a 2nd Carter term would've looked like... on steroids.

[talaniman]

Still blaming government (Obama) for no jobs instead of the job creators for not making jobs, while repubs run around talking about too much spending, and we can't afford to spend for jobs or infrastructure (even with damn near 0% interest).

If repubs get out of the way and let government work, instead of clogging up the works, we may get out of this self inflicted crisis. Naw after 4 years of obstruction, you're going for 8.

But don't be surprised if the rest of the country gets sick of right wing tomfoolery a lot sooner than 4 more years.

[speechlesstx]

I just cannot fathom the hubris of this president and the media's unwillingness to hold his feet to the fire on anything...

Obama Claims Administration ‘Most Transparent in History’
Fact check finds a length record of failed reform and increased secrecy

BY: CJ Ciaramella
February 14, 2013 6:13 pm

President Obama once again claimed his administration is the “most transparent in history” Thursday, despite lengthy record of failed reform and increased secrecy.

Obama was answering questions during a Google hangout when a woman questioned him on his promises of greater government transparency, noting things “feels a lot less transparent.”

“This is the most transparent administration in history,” Obama assured the woman. “I can document that this is the case.”

“Every visitor that comes into the White House is now part of the record,” Obama continued. “Just about every law that we pass and rule that we implement we put online for everyone to see.”As extensively reported by the Washington Free Beacon, the Obama administration’s record on transparency has been a great source of disappointment to government watchdog groups and journalists.
...

“Obama is the sixth administration that’s been in office since I’ve been doing Freedom of Information Act work. … It’s kind of shocking to me to say this, but of the six, this administration is the worst on FOIA issues. The worst. There’s just no question about it,” Katherine Meyer, a Washington lawyer who’s been filing FOIA cases since 1978, told Politico in March. “This administration is raising one barrier after another. … It’s gotten to the point where I’m stunned—I’m really stunned.”

I'm not stunned, it's SOP for this administration to cover up and lie.

[speechlesstx]

Remember the media having a collective orgasm over Sarah Palin using a private email account as governor? Why haven't they had the same over Obama's EPA chief Lisa Jackson using an official government account under the alias “Richard Windsor”?

Does anything raise a red flag with you libs and the media regarding this administration? I'm honestly flummoxed by the lengths gone to cover for these crooks and liars.

[NeedKarma]

More lies from you:

If today’s delivery of emails from the EPA is anything like the tranche CEI received in January, it will not provide any valuable information about how Jackson employed her Richard Windsor email account. Indeed, the delivery we received in January — 2,100 emails total, significantly shy of the promised 3,000 — consisted entirely of Google news alerts and press clippings.

[paraclete]

funny thing is I don't get apoplectic thinking about the President authorizing the wack of a senior AQ leader ;a guy who sent a jihadist on a plane to blow it up on Christmas over a major US city .

I don't get apologetic over it either Tom but the implications are anyone can be taken out, any time. Summary justice looks good but do you really want kangaroo court or star chamber operating in Washington

[smoothy]

Obama doesn't grasp the concept of overtures or compromise he's a thug that thinks everything should be his way or not at all.

In 4 years he as never made an overture.. or an offer to Compromise... but he's got time to learn how.

He's not the king, the Messiah or the Emperor, and its time he learns it.

[Wondergirl]

In 4 years he as never made an overture..or an offer to Compromise.....but he's got time to learn how.

He spend the first years of his first term trying to compromise with Republicans who finally outright stated they had no intention of cooperating with him.

[paraclete]

Ah but you elevate the president so much you can't help him thinking he has been elected king

[tomder55]

He spend the first years of his first term trying to compromise with Republicans who finally outright stated they had no intention of cooperating with him.

No he didn't . His first 2 terms were spent ramming through his spending "stimulus " and Obamacare laws . He didn't give a rat's @ss what the Repubics thought.

[excon]

Hello again,

Funny. I remember history different than you... I remember Obama shaping Obamcare so that Republicans would like it... I remember his putting tax cuts in the stimulus so the Republicans would like it... Did they like it? No!

Do we live in the same country?

excon

PS> I DO remember that the night he was inaugurated, a bunch of right wingers met to INSURE they would NEVER agree to ANYTHING this president did. They didn't give a rat's a$$ about the country.

Are you SURE we live in the same country? Over here, it's Saturday AM.

[tomder55]

Oh yeah ;Republicans were clamoring for a complete overhauling and dismantling of the health care industry. You must mean that he brought in crony capitalists in the medical fields and laid down the law to them ;and threw them a bone or two as compensation .That must be the" shaping Obamcare so that Republicans would like it"you are talking about .
As for the stimulus "tax cuts " ;there was an AMT fix ,something that periodically gets done instead of just eliminating it. There was some very limited targeted tax cuts including "Making Work Pay Credit" ,an expansion of the Child Tax Credit, Earned Income Credit ,and a new education tax credit. These targeted and temporary credits completely miss the point. What is needed instead is less credits ,deductions ,and accounting schemes in favor of permanent reductions and simplification of the tax code. Oh yeah ;I forgot to mention the $7,500 for families buying over priced plug-in hybrid vehicles. That credit has not exactly worked as a stimulus ;and only can be used by the few who can afford a plug in electric ;and who travel local roads for short distances. Not very stimulating if you ask me.
Nah ;a real stimulus would've been permanent rate reductions and fixes ;instead of failed Keynesian pump priming ,or wealth transfers to local municipal unions. .

[speechlesstx]

no he didn't . His first 2 terms were spent ramming through his spending "stimulus " and Obamacare laws . He didn't give a rat's @ss what the Repubics thought.

Not to mention he had a Democrat-controlled Congress for two years.

[speechlesstx]

More lies from you:

Do have anything besides personal attacks? You can't point out anything I've lied about, ever. There is no lie in reporting her using an alias with an official government account, that alone is a red flag. There is no lie in calling them crooks and liars, it's documented. And genius, what's in the other 900 emails they withheld? You're pathetic.

[NeedKarma]

Touched a nerve did I?

You can't point out anything I've lied about, ever.

There are many instances where you willfully post misinformation. I'll use your buddy smoothy's standard response: just search it yourself, I can't be bothered.

[talaniman]

Oh yeah ;Republicans were clamoring for a complete overhauling and dismantling of the health care industry. You must mean that he brought in crony capitalists in the medical fields and laid down the law to them ;and threw them a bone or two as compensation .That must be the" shaping Obamcare so that Republicans would like it"you are talking about .

You mean privatizing and shifting the costs and exposure from the government to the consumer with a subsidy for premiums? That is what republicans would like. Nobody else did and the concept was roundly DEFEATED in the last election.

As for the stimulus "tax cuts " ;there was an AMT fix ,something that periodically gets done instead of just eliminating it. There was some very limited targeted tax cuts including "Making Work Pay Credit" ,an expansion of the Child Tax Credit, Earned Income Credit ,and a new education tax credit. These targeted and temporary credits completely miss the point. What is needed instead is less credits ,deductions ,and accounting schemes in favor of permanent reductions and simplification of the tax code.

Credits that benefit struggling poor and lower wage earners should be permanent, especially those that are/were affected adversely from the financial collapse. A fact that republicans seem to completely ignore. But those accounting schemes for the rich, or well to do, who seemed to have survived and thrived thru the meltdown should have been eliminated long ago.

Oh yeah ;I forgot to mention the $7,500 for families buying over priced plug-in hybrid vehicles. That credit has not exactly worked as a stimulus ;and only can be used by the few who can afford a plug in electric ;and who travel local roads for short distances. Not very stimulating if you ask me.

It worked while it lasted and small as it really was, it helped a segment of the population that keepa few jobs for a while. It may not be the big bubble you are use to, but sustains itself for now.

Nah ;a real stimulus would've been permanent rate reductions and fixes ;instead of failed Keynesian pump priming ,or wealth transfers to local municipal unions. .

And Romney lost that argument, so when are you going to come up with something that people like and can see it helping them now? People are quite tired of having things trickle down to them in rates that the elite so called "job creators" deem proper. With the help of the party that says no to EVERYTHING, and refuses to collaborate, or compromise for the good of the many, and not just the few. Even the so called wealth tranferance you speak of leaves trillion of dollar in the mattresses of your elite rich guy job creators and yet you still begrudge us ordinary people a crumb or a bone.

Whats more disgusting is the way you frame the stuff ordinary citizens need as neccecities you call underserved FREE STUFF, and tout your rich guy capitalists as the injured party. You want reforms? Show people how it helps thems, and not just transfers wealth and power to those that don't believe in sharing or trickling.

I submit to you that until a whole helluva lot more trickling is done, opposition to republican principles will be seen even more.

[talaniman]

Not to mention he had a Democrat-controlled Congress for two years.

That's a straw argument since the plan from the beginning was to use parlimentery tricks to obstruct, stall, and stop everything no matter what it was, and then blame the left for NOTHING working.