[speechlesstx]

Hello again, tom:

They? THEY??? Who is "they"?? Pursuant to your post above, I assume "they" are House Republicans. Or, they're the SENATE which doesn't do squat WITHOUT Republican support...

excon

Reid and his Democrat majority don't even bother to try and do their job.

[tomder55]

Hello again, tom:

They? THEY??? Who is "they"?? Pursuant to your post above, I assume "they" are House Republicans. Or, they're the SENATE which doesn't do squat WITHOUT Republican support...

excon

Let me help you out.. "They " would be the House ,the Senate ,and the President... all of whom are charged by the Constitution to make and sign laws regarding the budget.

[tomder55]

So in fact a budget has been passed, it is just an older version and what is not agreed to are recent changes the Republican Party would force on the government

No ,not quite . Yes they are working on an older budget . No ;the President and the House do their job . It's the do nothing Senate that skirts responsibility .

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

Reid and his Democrat majority don't even bother to try and do their job.

We've talked about this lots of times... I don't know WHY you don't hear me. I think we're talking PAST each other... That's what they're doing in DC, so why should WE be different??

You use the word "majority" as though it means that they RUN the show - that they can pass ANYTHING they want. But, of course, that's not true. The Republicans can filibuster, and they DO. In fact, they've filibustered MORE than ANY opposition party EVER has. Don't you think THAT'S worth mentioning??

Now, you talk about their "job", but I'm not sure what you mean.. Oh, I've heard you guys complain that the senate hasn't passed a budget in years... Now, I don't know a lot about how Washington works, but I think tom mentioned something about budgetary stuff being the work of the House. Plus, if passing a budget in the Senate were necessary before they spent money, then as a right winger, I think you'd APPLAUD that fact... That would be obstructionism the Tea Party would LOVE.

But, they ARE spending money.. Apparently, what the Senate does about budgeting isn't integral to the operation of the government.. Given the above, it appears that a Senate budget is nothing more than advisory. And, if THAT'S so, who cares whether they write one or not?

Tell me where I'm wrong. Gimme a civics lesson. Or, are you just going to continue with your right wing talking points?

Excon

[tomder55]

Had you read my post you would've had that civil lesson. Yes spending bill have to initiate in the Senate . But the Senate has to also pass a budget for it to go to the President's desk ;who then has to sign it to become the law.
Now ask yourself WHY would the Senate Repubics filibuster a budget passed by the Republic House ? No that isn't what's happened and you know it . Reid shelves the budgets passed by the House so his chamber doesn't need to take ownership of them. Then he symbolically votes on a version that he knows both the Senate Dems and Repubics will reject. He has made a mockery of the process and turned it into a farce..

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

He has made a mockery of the process and turned it into a farce..

Then replace him with somebody who's more reasonable, like Sharron Angle. Oh, that's right.

Excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

We've talked about this lots of times... I dunno WHY you don't hear me. I think we're talking PAST each other... That's what they're doing in DC, so why should WE be different???

You use the word "majority" as though it means that they RUN the show - that they can pass ANYTHING they want. But, of course, that's not true. The Republicans can filibuster, and they DO. In fact, they've filibustered MORE than ANY opposition party EVER has. Don't you think THAT'S worth mentioning???

Now, you talk about their "job", but I'm not sure what you mean.. Oh, I've heard you guys complain that the senate hasn't passed a budget in years... Now, I don't know a lot about how Washington works, but I think tom mentioned something about budgetary stuff being the work of the House. Plus, if passing a budget in the Senate were necessary before they spent money, then as a right winger, I think you'd APPLAUD that fact... That would be obstructionism the Tea Party would LOVE.

But, they ARE spending money.. Apparently, what the Senate does about budgeting isn't integral to the operation of the government.. Given the above, it appears that a Senate budget is nothing more than advisory. And, if THAT'S so, who cares whether they write one or not??

Tell me where I'm wrong. Gimme a civics lesson. Or, are you just gonna continue with your right wing talking points??

excon

You're not listening. The Senate is REQUIRED BY LAW to pass a budget and has not done so for over 3 years. I know you understand what REQUIRED BY LAW means. Whether Republicans can filibuster or not is irrelevant, Reid is making a mockery of the Senate and ignoring his lawful responsibility.

[tomder55]

The Repubics would obviously need a majority to make a change .That won't happen while the beltway boys run the party . But the Dems should realize that even Schmuck Schumer would be a better Majority leader for their party ,and for the country .

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

REQUIRED BY LAW

Show me. I'm easy.

Excon

[talaniman]

You have screwed up your own party, now you want to screw up our party? Come on guys, you righties take care of your own problems which are many before you go looking for other stuff to fix. While you are at it, don't forget 12 years of YOUR bright ideas and stupid actions have us here at this cliff because you refuse what's reasonable and think you can make people forget by blaming others for not doing it YOUR way, and refusing to do it MY way.

LOL, you think just because you send a BS piece of paper to Harry, its supposed to become law? What part of the hell with the Tea Party is it you don't get?

Continuing Resolution Introduced to Keep Government Running, Provide Much-Needed Disaster Funding | Committee on Appropriations, U.S. House of Representatives

The CR is a must-pass bill that is necessary to prevent a government shutdown and continue federal operations until all Appropriations legislation for fiscal year 2012 is enacted. Currently, the House Appropriations Committee has moved on 11 of the 12 annual Appropriations bills – with six bills having cleared the House. The CR introduced today continues government operations at a rate of $1.043 trillion – the total amount agreed to by the Congress and the White House in the recent debt-ceiling legislation – and runs until November 18.

House Appropriations Committee Chairman Hal Rogers stressed the importance of the bill and urged quick passage by Congress:

“While the House has made remarkable progress on funding bills for the next fiscal year, additional time is needed to complete this essential work. A Continuing Resolution will allow time for Congress to pass annual Appropriations legislation, while maintaining vital government programs and services in the short term.

So we see there are YOUR facts, and there are THE facts. You seem to be stuck on yours. Being stuck for 12 years is an awful long time. That's MY facts.

"No money may be drawn from the treasury but in Cosequence of appropriation by Law"

The US Constitution article 1, section 9, clause 7

[excon]

Hello tal:

If I understand this right, passing a "budget", or NOT, in the Senate has NOTHING to do with actual government operations...

Then why do right wingers keep repeating it? Did Frank Luntz tell 'em to?

excon

[talaniman]

What do you expect from guys who think trickle down economics is the only way to run an economy? If it stops tricking down, then give the guys in charge of the trickle more of the economy. Ain't that crazy??

It was Luntz's idea to call greedy rich guys job creators, when the true job creators are consumers creating DEMAND. That's TRUE capitalism, not this legal stealing the right is talking about. YOU Ex, should know better than listen to the right wing spin. They hate being governed because they want to govern YOU.

They believe the stuff they make up, and call US crazy when WE don't believe it. They screw up and blame US. If they can't accurately count votes, what make you think they can count money? Are you crazy or something?

[speechlesstx]

LOL, you think just because you send a BS piece of paper to Harry, its supposed to become law?

I don't recall anyone saying that so that's just another canard like your "do-nothing Republicans" spiel. The House did their job, Harry Reid's Senate has not, ain't no more complicated than that.

[speechlesstx]

Hello tal:

If I understand this right, passing a "budget", or NOT, in the Senate has NOTHING to do with actual government operations...

So you're against "do-nothing Republicans" but for do-nothing Democrats.

[tomder55]

Hello... The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 supported by the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 requires the Senate to pass a budget . That is just fact. The Senate must move a budget out of the Budget Committee by April 1 of every year and must adopt a budget resolution on the floor by April 15.

The Senate majority can bring a budget to the floor anytime it wishes and pass it with just 51 votes. It cannot be filibustered. how quickly they forget how Obamacare got passed as a budgetary bill..

[talaniman]

The house has done a LOUSY job since the Tea party came to town. You are just mad because Harry ain't going along with the house lunacy.

[speechlesstx]

The house has done a LOUSY job since the Tea party came to town. You are just mad because Harry ain't going along with the house lunacy.

Nope, just fed up with this Orwellian world you and the lamestream media are foisting on us.

[talaniman]

hello ..... The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 supported by the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 requires the Senate to pass a budget . That is just fact. The Senate must move a budget out of the Budget Committee by April 1 of every year and must adopt a budget resolution on the floor by April 15.

The Senate majority can bring a budget to the floor anytime it wishes and pass it with just 51 votes. It cannot be filibustered. how quickly they forget how Obamacare got passed as a budgetary bill..

That law has been modified and changed over the years for many reasons

Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act (1974) Study Guide & Homework Help - eNotes.com

[tomder55]

Don't know why this is so hard to understand. Even the Dems in the Senate know their legal obligation. They skate around the issue by claiming that the Budget Control Act is an adequate substitute for a real budget because it "deems" spending caps.

[speechlesstx]

They understand, they just won't admit it.