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smoothy · Sep 17, 2010, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

What the Muslims told the 6th grade class is true. Women's status improved greatly with the rise of Islam. They could finally own property and vote, could inherit, and were allowed to seek education. Women couldn't vote in the U.S. under Washington (late 1700s) and Lincoln (mid 1800s).

Really... in WHAT Islamic country is that true? The Propaganda YOU quoted flies in opposition of Sharia, the Quran and actual practices in Islamic Countries, right here, right now.

Look at Iran... Look at Saudi Arabia, Look at most countries of the Midle east... you really don't know many people from the Middle east region do you?

Go back a few posts... actual sharia law and Quran passeges are quoted pertaining to the " Supposed" women's rights under Islam.

Wondergirl · Sep 17, 2010, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by smoothy

Really.....with the youth of today? I'd rather have the youth of yesterday. At least they could read and knew how to respect others.

The last thing the youth of today needs is paddling and being disrespected by adults and peers.

Wondergirl · Sep 17, 2010, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by smoothy

Really...in WHAT Islamic country is that true?

I said with the rise of Islam, just as your mosque video says -- the opposite had been your retort. Sharia as we know it hadn't been invented yet back then.

Originally, Shar'iah meant the road to the watering place or path leading to the water, i.e. the way to the source of life.

smoothy · Sep 17, 2010, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

The last thing the youth of today needs is paddling and being disrespected by adults and peers.

Oh poor babies... they just don't have enough of a spine to deal with the real world... They sure as hell haven't learned to show any respect of the average...

smoothy · Sep 17, 2010, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I said with the rise of Islam, just as your mosque video says -- the opposite had been your retort. Sharia hadn't been invented yet back then.

Sharia has been in the Quran since it was written 1,300 years ago. Sharia ISN'T a new concept. Except in Ancient Greece, people weren't VOTING for their leaders then.

Islam is a totalitarian regime... its not simply what exists in a Mosque. Where are you getting your information from? Do you actually think Sharia is a good thing? YOu are willing to shred the constitution AND bill of rights to make some loons happier that they can control every aspect of your life, including who you worship and when or they stone you to death?

In most Islamic Countries you talking to me could get you lashes and stoned to death since I'm not your husband or relative.

Wondergirl · Sep 17, 2010, 05:20 PM

We're talking about the 7th century, smoothy. You said women didn't get voting rights. I said they did, thanks to Mohammed and the rise of Islam. And they got education, property rights, the right to divorce.

Catsmine · Sep 17, 2010, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

We're talking about the 7th century, smoothy. You said women didn't get voting rights. I said they did, thanks to Mohammed and the rise of Islam. And they got education, property rights, the right to divorce.

Along with the right to be mutilated, lashed in public, and stoned to death, which they still have today.

Wondergirl · Sep 17, 2010, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Catsmine

Along with the right to be mutilated, lashed in public, and stoned to death, which they still have today.

Not in the 7th century. That came about later when one sect decided to twist Mohammed's words.

smoothy · Sep 17, 2010, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

We're talking about the 7th century, smoothy. You said women didn't get voting rights. I said they did, thanks to Mohammed and the rise of Islam. And they got education, property rights, the right to divorce.

This happens today... right now. THey are going to stone a woman to death in Iran under Sharia for sleeping with someone not her husband. Have you NOT watched the news?

Muslim women are NOT allowed to divorce... but their Husbands can very easily.

Property rights, under Sharia today... not in very many Islamic countries they don't. Women are second class citizens in the Quran... which is interpreted literally, and all later passages supercede any that's early in the Quran. And Under Sharia its no different because SHaria IS directly from the Quaran. Its all part of Islam. THere is no speration of Politics and Religion in Islam. It is TOTALITARIAN by design. It dictates EVERYTHING in your life.

Doubt me... just go over to the Islam Forum...

Catsmine · Sep 17, 2010, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by smoothy

This hapens today....right now. THey are going to stone a woman to death in Iran under Sharia for sleeping with someone not her husband.

Muslim women are NOT allowed to divorce....but their Husbands can very easily.

Property rights, under Sharia today....not in very many Islamic countries they don't. Women are second class citizens in the Quran...which it interpreted literally. ANd Under Sharia its no different because SHaria IS directly from the Quaran. Its all part of Islam. THere is no speration of Politics and Religion in Islam. It is TOTALITARIAN by design. It dictates EVERYTHING in your life.

Doubt me....just go over to the Islam Forum....

While totalitarian is descriptive, the proper adjective to describe Islam is Theocratic, because the state is ruled by the religion.

Wondergirl · Sep 17, 2010, 05:34 PM

7th century, smoothy. We're talking about the 7th century and the rise of Islam.

excon · Sep 17, 2010, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Catsmine

Along with the right to be mutilated, lashed in public, and stoned to death, which they still have today.

Hello Cats:

Yeah, sharia law sucks.. What I want to know is why you're so damn scared of it. You don't think it's going to getcha, do you?

excon

Catsmine · Sep 17, 2010, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello Cats:

Yeah, sharia law sucks.. What I wanna know is why you're so damn scared of it. You don't think it's gonna getcha, do ya?

excon

Hi, Ex.

The only thing I'm afraid of is you liberals letting the Dar al Islam expand far enough that the planet won't survive the war.

Wondergirl · Sep 17, 2010, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by excon

excon

Oh, goody! You're finally here. I'll go have an ice cream cone -- chocolate, caramel, and cashews. Be careful, wear your boots, and have fun!

Catsmine · Sep 17, 2010, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Oh, goody! You're finally here. I'll go have an ice cream cone -- chocolate, caramel, and cashews. Be careful, wear your boots, and have fun!

Oh, do come back, WG. Baiting Ex is fun, but 2 on 2 is much better.

excon · Sep 17, 2010, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Be careful, wear your boots, and have fun!

Hello Carol:

Boots, is RIGHT! I got waders!

excon

smoothy · Sep 17, 2010, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Catsmine

While totalitarian is descriptive, the proper adjective to describe Islam is Theocratic, because the state is ruled by the religion.

True...

smoothy · Sep 17, 2010, 06:46 PM

Sharia law has been working its way into European countries... Including England. They are waking up to being suckered into incremental Islamification the liberals taught them to use to sneak it in. Exactly the same reasons as the parable of the frog in the pan of cool water on the stove.

You think its so petty and insignifican to the west, you really need to read up on it.

You might love it however... since the Liberals hate Christianity ad Christian morals so much.

Kiss any form of freedoms you enjoy now goodbye then...

The hipwaders will be needed for the Liberal pro-Islamic propaganda that's about to spew. After all, the Democrat party will stump for anyone that gives them enough money. Like being lakies for George Soros.

Wondergirl · Sep 17, 2010, 06:55 PM

The U.S. is NOT a bunch of small European nations. Plus, we have our guns, thanks to the 2nd Amendment. And only .6% of our population is Muslim. Seventy-eight point four percent is Christian. I'm not worried yet.

I had a Ghirardelli chocolate brownie and Mountain Dew instead of an ice cream cone. I'm feeling very fine right now. Thanks for asking! Wish I could have shared with you.

excon · Sep 17, 2010, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by smoothy

You think its so petty and insignifican to the west, you really need to read up on it.

Hello again, smoothy:

You DO think it's going to getcha, huh? Me? I have more faith in our Constitutional system than you do. Why oh why you think our Constitution will fall in the face of some extremists is beyond me. But, you think we're weak... Dude!

excon