[sassyT]

That may be true, but your statement was based on your religious beliefs and nothing else.
It was fair to point that out on a board like this one.

So is it fair for you to base your responses on YOUR secular humanistic religion?
You have such double standards :rolleyes:

[excon]

and they want the state to validate it to make them feel better. I don't agree.

Hello Kia:

If you're going to argue, it would help if you had the facts... You can take your "feel better" argument and stick it. They don't want to FEEL GOOD. They want RIGHTS - the rights that people get when they get married. The same rights YOU have that THEY DON'T.

excon

[sassyT]

Sassy and Judy-
So you would be good with not having any rights if your husband or wife needed medical attention?

Like judy said, if a gay couple wants to make med. Decisions for one another they can put it in writing and get POA.

[Synnen]

And I have to take time and validate that article because for all I know it could have been written or influenced by people trying to promote homosexuality as being right. People skew information to be what they want it to be anyways. The media, special interest groups, etc., do it all of the time.

I'm having to remember an the article from yesterday---so forgive me if my mind is sketchy--but wasn't one of the articles given from National Geographic?

[Kia]

Yes, but you are talking about the issue of marriage, and government recognition. Adultery and polygamy is against the law because it is unlawful to have the government recognize a union between 2 people, and then have people sleeping around for pleasure.; or even sleeping with more than one person.
I can have a boyfriend and sleep around for pleasure; but I'm not asking the state to recognize my union until I am committed and ready to start a life with that person. Its natural for families to be made by 2 people of the opposite sex, each sex have roles physically and emotionally to raise new healthy human beings. Homosexuality is a lot of substitution and confusion because both gender roles are not there. That's another reason why its unnatural in my opinion..

[sassyT]

Hello Kia:

If you're going to argue, it would help if you had the facts.... You can take your "feel better" argument and stick it. They don't want to FEEL GOOD. They want RIGHTS - the rights that people get when they get married. The same rights YOU have that THEY DON'T.

excon

Gays do Have rights! They have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. So don't say they don't have rights because they do.

[Synnen]

And if a gay couple wants their partner to be their "next of kin", can they just put it in writing? How about inheriting? What about custody of children?

I have an idea!

Let's make everyone equal by taking away those assumed things like custody, and inheritance, and the right to view financial information (in some states anyway) and the ability to have joint credit--let's just take those away from everyone unless it's put in writing. Basically--if you don't have a will, it goes to the state. Everything. Any will produced can no longer be contested unless an ALTERNATE will is also produced.

Custody of children will now go to the state. The state can then decide what's best for the children, which may include giving them for adoption to someone completely unrelated and unknown, depending on the state's view of the fitness for parenting that the partner of the deceased and the family of the deceased.

The state will no longer recognize marriage as a tax break, nor will any couple be able to file joint taxes.

All medical decisions must be put into a legal document, and NO ONE is allowed to see the person being treated, nor can they receive information on the status of the patient, until the lawyer is called who has the document on file to find out WHO can be given that information. Disclosure agreements must be filled out and signed by anyone being admitted to the hospital who can be trusted to fill out their own forms at the time of admittance.

So basically--instead of GIVING homosexuals the privileges of marriage--let's just take them away from heterosexuals and we'll all be equal.

[Kia]

So then should bisexuals be able to marry both sexes as well? I mean when is the foolishness going to stop. I think as individuals we should put more time and energy into more important issues of the world like homelessness, disease, etc. Stop focusing on such minor issues like why a guy can't marry his boyfriend... geez.

[JudyKayTee]

Sassy and Judy-
So you would be good with not having any rights if your husband or wife needed medical attention?

Why have you come to the conclusion that I "would be good with not having any rights if my husband ... needed medical attention"?

What part of my postings led you to that conclusion?

[Synnen]

Honest to goodness--

I can not WAIT until it's PROVEN that homosexuality is genetic, that it's as much a part of a person as their race.

I'd like to see the arguments for discrimination at that point.

[Synnen]

so then should bisexuals be able to marry both sexes as well? I mean when is the foolishness going to stop. I think as individuals we should put more time and energy into more important issues of the world like homelessness, disease, etc. Stop focusing on such minor issues like why a guy can't marry his boyfriend...geez.

Tell you what--my solutions to homelessness and disease would work just fine by your standards--

It's the problem of the homeless people and the diseased people, and since I'm not homeless or diseased, they don't really need MY help. I mean, if they just got a job, or hadn't done the activities that got them the disease (including being born, since I believe that being homosexual is genetic) in the first place--well, then there wouldn't be a problem!

Seriously--can you not see that equality is as important as any other issue?

[excon]

Stop focusing on such minor issues like why a guy can't marry his boyfriend...geez.

Hello again, Kia:

If these were YOUR rights that were being denied to YOU, I'll bet you wouldn't think the issue is minor. Nope, of course you wouldn't. But, as long as you've got yours, screw the rest, right?

If you look at the body of a man and woman, they were made to fit together...in order to reproduce. Homosexuality is not natural, sorry.

I also bring your attention to the other question you didn't answer, as I doubt you'll answer this one as well.

I assume you do not have sex for pleasure. I also assume that you do not enjoy the benefits of oral sex, cause those parts weren't made for each other either. If you DO any of those things, and I'll bet you do, you're just an ordinary hypocrite.

excon

[Kia]

Yea... umm... but homosexuality is not genteic in 98% of the cases. I can't say 100% because just like there are hermaphrodites, people born with deformities, and other rare instances, there are natural born homosexuals. But, the masses who claim they are were not born this way. They had childood trauma that affected them subconsciously, or consciously; they want to experiment or be rebellious; or they are so bitter with one sex that they decide to try something new.

[bushg]

yea... umm... but homosexuality is not genteic in 98% of the cases. I can't say 100% because just like there are hermaphrodites, people born with deformities, and other rare instances, there are natural born homosexuals. But, the masses who claim they are were not born this way. They had childood trauma that affected them subconsciously, or consciously; they want to experiment or be rebellious; or they are so bitter with one sex that they decide to try something new.

Regardless of why they are the way they are. Can they still not enjoy the freedom and rights just like everyone else.

[WVHiflyer]

yea... umm... but homosexuality is not genteic in 98% of the cases.

I'd like to see the studies that show this. As far as I'm aware, there is no determination yet on whether there is a genetic cause or not, though several studies point in that direction. Can environmental/situational causes lead to homosexuality? Maybe... but no gay I've ever known can point to such a cause. They all claim it came "naturally."

[WVHiflyer]

Regardless of why they are the way they are. Can they still not enjoy the freedom and rights just like everyone else.

Bravo!

[Kia]

To excon-
Yes I do. I did say that. I said that I'm not asking the state to validate my behavior. Your argument is a liitle silly.. but OK. I'm not asking the state to validate my sexual behavior so its different

[Synnen]

yea... umm... but homosexuality is not genteic in 98% of the cases.

Do you have proof of that? Last I heard, it hadn't been proven definitively in either direction.

I can't say 100% because just like there are hermaphrodites, people born with deformities, and other rare instances, there are natural born homosexuals. But, the masses who claim they are were not born this way. They had childood trauma that affected them subconsciously, or consciously; they want to experiment or be rebellious; or they are so bitter with one sex that they decide to try something new.

Amazing that YOU are not homosexual, yet you can speak for all of them about EXACTLY what "caused" their homosexuality.

Sources, please.

[margog85]

to excon-
yes i do. i did say that. I said that I'm not asking the state to validate my behavior. Your argument is a liitle silly..but ok. I'm not asking the state to validate my sexual behavior so its different

No one is asking the state to validate sexual behavior.

We are asking the state to grant equal access to a social institution that gives rights a certain group, but excludes another.

And the basis for your argument for why the state should not validate these unions as 'marriage' is based upon the sexual activity you find 'unnatural'. As though sexual activity is all a marriage is based upon, and ignoring the love, commitment, and compassion that two people have for one another.

So if sexual behavior should dictate my ability to marry, it should also dictate yours. It doesn't matter how you feel towards your potential spouse... it doesn't matter what kind of relationship you have... it doesn't matter how long you've been together... no, what matters is what kind of sex you're having. And if it isn't the 'right' kind of sex, then no marriage for you.

[Synnen]

to excon-
yes i do. i did say that. I said that I'm not asking the state to validate my behavior. Your argument is a liitle silly..but ok. I'm not asking the state to validate my sexual behavior so its different

They aren't asking the state to validate their sexual behaviour, either.

They're asking the state to validate their love and commitment to each other.

Or did YOU marry/will you marry for your sexual behaviour?