[jlisenbe]

That's what happens when you shut down much of the economy.

[talaniman]

That's what happens when you shut down much of the economy.

You may well have to shut the economy down again if the virus continues on it's present trajectory, or gets even worse.

[jlisenbe]

Sooner or later we are going to have to face that fact that a nation that is already drowning in debt thanks to the free spending ways of the presidents over the last twelve years is not going to be able to just shut down the economy and start whistling "Dixie". It doesn't work that way.

[talaniman]

I agree we will need a management plan for our debts, and reopening the economy may take some managing too, and likely more time than we think. Previous recoveries have taken years though and much investment.

[jlisenbe]

I would hope that a management plan would include not getting any deeper in debt. Good luck with that one.

[talaniman]

Maybe we need better management, or reopen under NEW management.

[jlisenbe]

Yeah. We could bring Obama back, or we could elect Biden. Oh wait! They doubled the debt during their eight years. So much for that idea.

[Wondergirl]

Yeah. We could bring Obama back, or we could elect Biden. Oh wait! They doubled the debt during their eight years. So much for that idea.

They dug us out of the hole W had dumped us in.

[talaniman]

Make America great again by dumping the Dufus. He just sent his CDC guidelines back for revision. What do we have to lose with Biden. We're already broke closed sick and dying. He would hardly be the first dem to come in and clean up the repubs mess. If we get rid of Moscow Mitch too, well new management just got better.

They dug us out of the hole W had dumped us in.

Amazing how we posted about the same thing at about the same time! Great minds...…!

[jlisenbe]

They dug us out of the hole W had dumped us in.

Yeah. The dems had nothing at all to do with that. Still, digging us out of a hole while digging us into an even deeper one??? Doesn't sound good to me.

What do we have to lose with Biden.

What a ringing endorsement! "Vote for Biden. What do we have to lose?"

[talaniman]

1. History revision conservative style.

2. The dufus says it and you believe it so believe me when I say it and mean it.

The dufus gets tested all the time and he looks heathy enough to shoot his mouth off everyday, so the key to getting things going again is get everybody tested often.

Must mention though he just had his valet test positive.

[Wondergirl]

1. History revision conservative style.

You expected anything different? *smirk*

2. The dufus says it and you believe it so believe me when I say it and mean it.

Yay, tal!

The dufus gets tested all the time and he looks heathy enough to shoot his mouth off everyday, so the key to getting things going again is get everybody tested often.

Must mention though he just had his valet test positive.

He's really packing on the pounds. Something else may get him before the coronavirus does.

[jlisenbe]

1. History revision conservative style.

Oh don't be stupid. Obama doubled the national debt. It's settled history for everyone except, I guess, you, and now you know.

2. The dufus says it and you believe it so believe me when I say it and mean it.

Now was that "you" as in for me, or was that the famous "generic you"? And should I take that literally, or should I take it metaphorically?

The dufus gets tested all the time and he looks heathy enough to shoot his mouth off everyday, so the key to getting things going again is get everybody tested often.

Well of course. Why didn't someone at the top think of that already? We'll just order a few hundred million CV test kits from Amazon. They'll be here in a week or so, and we can just start and "get everybody tested often". Once a month sound good? It would only require about 4 billion test kits a year. No problem.

[talaniman]

1. Recoveries are pretty expensive, thats why repubs went along with his spending. Wars off the books were expensive too, that's why he put Bushes wars ON the books. Look at the auto industry, wall street, the banks and the whole freaking world Obama saved so we all could recover from rich guy foolishness. Yes he added to the debt because cleaning up the mess was expensive. One day your kids will read about it in your history books. How he rescued everybody's arse and left the next guy something to work with. Of course the right hates him for it. That's okay, they hate everybody any way.

2. Doesn't matter how you take it, really.

3. The greatest nation in history, can't do what it takes to get the job done? Oh Yeah we need new management fast. Or live with the lie of how great we say we are, but ain't.

[jlisenbe]

First of all, my apologies for my "stupid" comment. It was mean spirited and needless.

I think you greatly overstate what Obama did. In eight years he never came close to Trump's economy.

Not the U.S. or any other nation is testing anyone and everyone frequently. It is completely unreasonable to think we can, but we do need to increase availability and are doing so.

[talaniman]

The charts don't lie do they?

https://markets.businessinsider.com/...couple-years-9

The Obama administration confronted the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression when it initially took office. It passed a massive stimulus package in February 2009 to jumpstart the economy - and it was successful. The Congressional Budget Office said in a report that GDP growth was higher from 2009-2012 in part due to the legislation.

Trump has benefited from Obama's economic stewardship, as GDP growth under his watch has consistently been between 2% to 3%. In 2018, GDP growth stood at 2.9%, but the economy expanded only 2.3% last year,

the weakest pace

of his presidency yet.

Anybody following Obama would have a solid foundation on which to build on. So the dufus claims of what he has done is an exaggeration. Obama handled his crisis so we will see if the dufus handles his.

Easy to navigate clear waters, but the true test is how you handle your storms. Obama passed his tests. That's not an overstatement despite the constant drone of the right. I've never heard of this country claiming what it can't do. At least we give it a good try, but failing without trying is unacceptable.

[jlisenbe]

Yep. Slowest recovery from a recession in a hundred years despite doubling the national debt. That Obama was sure an economic genius.

And now we are beginning to see beyond the top of the iceberg into the corruption of the Obama DOJ. Thank goodness M. Flynn has been released. All the way from AG Lynch's secret meeting with BC to this, the corruption is beginning to be made public. I hope it continues. That's a festering sore that needs to be cleaned up and bandaged for good. Thank goodness Trump had the good sense to fire Comey.

[talaniman]

Yep. Slowest recovery from a recession in a hundred years despite doubling the national debt. That Obama was sure an economic genius.

And now we are beginning to see beyond the top of the iceberg into the corruption of the Obama DOJ. Thank goodness M. Flynn has been released. All the way from AG Lynch's secret meeting with BC to this, the corruption is beginning to be made public. I hope it continues. That's a festering sore that needs to be cleaned up and bandaged for good. Thank goodness Trump had the good sense to fire Comey.

Slow and steady got the job done.

Flynn hasn't been released it's up to the judge in his case to render a decision. Can't wait to see the dufus recovery. Hope it's better than his health crisis response. Until then I suppose I have to listen to his excuses, and you get to listen to my criticisms of him.

[paraclete]

First of all, my apologies for my "stupid" comment. It was mean spirited and needless.

.

I think we see a pattern of behaviour here, now that you see it for yourself do something about it, like seeing a shrink

[talaniman]

He said he was sorry and that's good enough for me. Will accept coffee and donuts...CHHHHHHHcolate!