[jlisenbe]

The REAL solution is to close the border from illegal crossers .

I think that's about right.

[tomder55]

They are not legal asylum seekers . The criteria is clear as to who is eligible and that does not include people trying to escape poverty. They have to suffer persecution due to race,religion.nationality;membership in a particular social group or political opinion. Also international principle says that those who claim asylum or refuge must claim it at the first safe country they reach. That would be Mexico.

[jlisenbe]

Much of this is just an excuse for liberals to complain about Trump. That doesn't mean the whole situation is not tragic, but it's been going on for decades. Politics.

[talaniman]

A link to the law of which you speak would be quite helpful.

Much of this is just an excuse for liberals to complain about Trump. That doesn't mean the whole situation is not tragic, but it's been going on for decades. Politics.

I don't need an excuse to complain about the lying, cheating, cruel bullying dufus. Thought you knew! Politics? YEP!

[jlisenbe]

Politics? YEP!

An honest man! Diogenes would be pleased.

"Asylum is the legal protection afforded by the United States government to a person who can demonstrate a “well-founded fear of persecution” based on race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group."

https://immigration-law.freeadvice.c..._is_asylum.htm

[talaniman]

It also requires due process, meaning representation and a judge.

[jlisenbe]

A judge yes, but the article said nothing about representation, or at least not that I saw. But there is the problem. When ten thousand people (or whatever it is) suddenly hit the border, then coming up with so many judges can probably be a major problem, and thanks to a court decision, they only have twenty days.

[talaniman]

It just follws that any court proceeding has to include a counsel for the defendent since there is a prosecutor present.

It's a daunting challenge granted to process so many claims but it's done all the time at sports events and lottery. Rich guys can make hundreds of thousands of transactions in minutes no problem. We have the technology, just have a dufus to figure it out. Instead of coordinating his many resources and his congress he gives lip service and lies. That' is why he was elected to solve problems and deal with challenges to the country, not style and profile and tweet insults and derogatorys to his foes and detractors on his campaign stops.

You right wing loonies just suck that stuff up don't you? You don't question his actively slowing down the process to create this chaos.

[jlisenbe]

It just follws that any court proceeding has to include a counsel for the defendent since there is a prosecutor present.

Actually, I'm not sure that is true for those who are not citizens.

You right wing loonies just suck that stuff up don't you?

Wow. What a thoughtful response. Are all liberals as addicted to name calling as the libs on this board??? Well, you will be happy to know that you are more like Trump than you want to think.

[talaniman]

So what, if he can do it why can't everybody?

[jlisenbe]

So what, if he can do it why can't everybody?

Because it indicates a person who has run out of civility, and that's not where I want to be. You will have to decide for yourself.

[Athos]

Because it indicates a person who has run out of civility, and that's not where I want to be. You will have to decide for yourself.

That's not where you want to be? That's a laugh!

Where you want to be is supporting the slaughter of children as promoted in your Bible, and supporting the torture and killing of children in the present-day at the southern border because you love Trump's policies.

You have gone on record right here on these pages (no dispute) as approving both of these barbaric murderous activities.

When confronted with your own words, you response is "I don't care"!

So much for your Christianity. It's more like devil-worship.

You have put Moloch ahead of Jesus.

[jlisenbe]

You really need help.

[Athos]

You really need help.

Another non-reply. Hard to rebut the truth.

[talaniman]

Geez, look who all of a sudden wants to be civil. Come on JL, we are talking about the dufus here right? There is nothing civil or decent or honest about him so don't expect civil when it comes to him at all. You voted for him, your decision but I don't have to abide by him, his words, or antics. Another woman has accused him of assaulting her, will you dismiss it out of hand as another thrill seeker?

PS

I did call you a right wing loony didn't I. Sorry 'bout that, but sometimes you do sound like one.

[jlisenbe]

I did call you a right wing loony didn't I. Sorry 'bout that, but sometimes you do sound like one.

You generally don't bother me, Tal. I think I understand you, and I never have to try and figure out where you stand. I guess I do have to wear the right wing badge. I hope I'm not loony, but of course loony people are usually the last ones to know it!! As to civility, I shoot for responses that are straightforward and truthful, but I try not to be a name caller or make personal attacks. If I do, then call me out on it. Just bear in mind that stating the truth and calling names are not the same thing.

Another woman has accused him of assaulting her, will you dismiss it out of hand as another thrill seeker?

No, I think it should be taken seriously, unlike the response of the liberals with Paula Jones and Kathleen Willey. Remember them??? Remember the shameful treatment of Monica Lewinsky? Sorry, but your effort to claim the moral high ground on this one won't work. The truth is probably that there are many powerful men out there who have used their money, fame, and position of power to take advantage of women. Sad to say, but likely true.

Another non-reply. Hard to rebut the truth.

Hard to rebut the truth? More like hard to rebut an imaginary discourse that seems to be driven by hate and anger, and appears to border on being irrational. Maybe I'm misreading it, but I don't think so. Read. Think. Anaylzye. Keep up. That will answer your questions.

[talaniman]

How far back do you want to go with that past bad behavior? How does that justify the worse behavior NOW? I seek no moral high ground, but neither can you when you just let the antics words, and behavior of this dufus go with the constant references to past bad behavior. Even if I conceded dems dropped the ball many times in the past, I doubt you could acknowledge or admit how really bad this dide in the WH now is.

[jlisenbe]

How far back do you want to go with that past bad behavior? How does that justify the worse behavior NOW? I seek no moral high ground, but neither can you when you just let the antics words, and behavior of this dufus go with the constant references to past bad behavior. Even if I conceded dems dropped the ball many times in the past, I doubt you could acknowledge or admit how really bad this dide in the WH now is.

First of all, we are both up too early in the morning.

As to your point, you asked if I would excuse the new accusation out of hand. I think she should go to the police if she has a good case, but you made it sound as though liberals have a good track record on this when they don't. The behavior of Clinton towards women was terrible, and yet the liberal world was falling all over each other trying to be first in line to support him and insult the women. And if that's not enough, they then decided to run his inept and unaccomplished wife for president!

[tomder55]

It is now irrefutable that the Democrat Party's position is open borders .

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...8q2wHMN8OtI9jo

[jlisenbe]

This quote was really laughable. "Asked about the Obama administration’s deportation of 3 million, Biden said the president that he served under “did a heck of a job” and that it would be wrong to compare him to President Donald Trump."

In other words, "It was alright when Obama did it, but not OK for Trump to do it."

Politics.