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talaniman · Mar 7, 2015, 03:02 PM

The fact is Tal minorities are just as racist as majorities they are just less able to enforce their racism

So the best racist are the ones who can enforce their racism? Gotcha!

Catsmine · Mar 7, 2015, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

best racist

Oxymoron alert! That one's right up there with Military Intelligence and Government Help.

talaniman · Mar 7, 2015, 06:21 PM

LOGIC ALERT!!

I have a problem with people who can enforce their racism. And is it racism when the ones you force it on don't like it... or you for doing it?

Just asking!

Catsmine · Mar 7, 2015, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

is it racism when the ones you force it on don't like it... or you for doing it?

Such as the Affordable Care Act?

people who can enforce their racism

Such as the Reverend of Racism himself?
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paraclete · Mar 7, 2015, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

LOGIC ALERT!!

I have a problem with people who can enforce their racism. And is it racism when the ones you force it on don't like it... or you for doing it?

Just asking!

Have no idea what you are talking about, racism is about doing things for racial reasons, and then there is doing things that discriminate against people for religious reasons and the lines can become very blurred between the two. There are people who are challenged in many ways and our societies spend much effort trying to accommodate their "special needs". But I think we should stop making special cases of people who make specific choices, whether this is where they live or how they behave.

talaniman · Mar 8, 2015, 05:38 AM

Would either of you care to elaborate your positions?

@It was you who brought up ENFORCING racism.

@Fail to see what ACA has to do with racism, or why YOU hate it. Nor how you single out a black guy who gets paid to holler against racism, and not look at the institution/corporation who engages in the racism.

Catsmine · Mar 8, 2015, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Would either of you care to elaborate your positions?

@It was you who brought up ENFORCING racism.

@Fail to see what ACA has to do with racism, or why YOU hate it. Nor how you single out a black guy who gets paid to holler against racism, and not look at the institution/corporation who engages in the racism.

The ACA is an example of your statement of forcing unwanted policies on people, which you so deliberately misconstrue.
Majority of Americans Still Disapprove of Healthcare Law

WHO brought up enforcing racism?

talaniman · Mar 8, 2015, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

That is absolute nonsense, do you live in a bubble? Look beyond your borders if you are unable to see racism at home. ISIS, for example; a minority and racist as well as many other things. The fact is Tal minorities are just as racist as majorities they are just less able to enforce their racism, racism is an attitude of mind. Sometimes it comes out of being over exposed to a particular group and their overt racism

How many minorities insist upon marriage within their group, this is racism. How many minorities turn their neighbourhoods into ghettos slowly forcing others out, where only their kind are welcome, this is racism in action

There you go. A comment on the ACA though it only affects 20% of the population, mostly economically challenged women and children and has brought down the number of uninsured even though republican controlled states continue for now to NOT expand the benefits of medicaid to the ones that fall between the cracks still. Mostly working poor.

Even your poll points out that most Americans are not affected greatly by the law since most are insured through there employer, 80-85%. But we can always go back to double digit health care cost increases, that will affect all of us.

I find it fascinating you hate what largely doesn't affect you, but helps poor woman and children. Hope things go great and you never need such help.

paraclete · Mar 8, 2015, 02:16 PM

The ACA is a market response to a social problem and it proves that the market isn't always the place to solve problems. I'm not against people having health care and fairness being enforced, because in the marketplace sometimes it has to be. You want to say it was only about insuring the disadvantaged and maybe it was if you want to include the recently unemployed among the disadvantaged. Thing is having an employer provide health care is a bad idea, it makes an assumption that people are going to be employed with an employer for a long time. Owning your heath care is far more realistic and so is covering young adults and you needed laws to get that done but it is a long bow to suggest this is racist just because it advantages more people of a particular race when in fact it advantages people of all racises in a particular circumstance. It may even be racist to suggest the ACA is racist

We have seen that a number of laws have racist overtones particularly those associated with immigration and there is a howl of protest whenever these are changed. How many pieces have said the drug laws are racist because of their impact. I think we need a program for the memory challenged but it is a majority group. most racists have selective memory

talaniman · Mar 8, 2015, 02:51 PM

Glad you brought the drug laws up Clete, because the data does support the case for unequal treatment of the minorities by the majority. For that to work there must be a collusion from not just the cops, but also the judges, and prosecutors, and to a large extent the city/state governments. Magnified by hard economic times it only exacerbates an already unfair situation. Throw in civil disparities, and misdemeanor traffic laws, you have a whole corrupt system weighed heavily against minorities.

Seems the majority could be a lot more even handed in handing out fair, and equal justice as our constitution calls for. Dismissing such behavior as the right of the majority to enforce their racism is ludicrous.

I haven't even mentioned immigration laws as just the treatment of citizens is egregious enough to demonstrate the institutional racism that is so insidiously ingrained into all walks of life.

tomder55 · Mar 8, 2015, 04:22 PM

I haven't even mentioned immigration laws

How many immigrants should the country allow in every year ? As many as want to come.... or is there actually a number where you would say 'enough ' ? If you do ,do you think that stance poses a problem for unskilled or low skilled Americans ?

paraclete · Mar 8, 2015, 06:34 PM

Not the point Tom you should have an orderly migration program and prosecution of those who flaunt your laws. Deciding you will or will not accept unskilled workers or targeting your program to skilled workers is not racist. What can be racist is where enforcement targets a particular group based on ethnicity. If you have a large pool of unskilled unemployed obviously you don't want to be adding to that pool by migration. The lines have been very blurred on a number of issues because it suits certain groups to blur the lines and claim disadvantage based on race rather than the truth. We all know certain groups are over represented in unemployment, prisons, crime, drugs, illness, lack of education, etc, etc and it suits some to say this is due to racial discrimination rather than other push factors. The ACA was an attempt to address some push factors and it was done this way because no one was going to accept taxes to provide health care to the poor. Was it a good idea? Probably not. Was it racist? Not inherently

talaniman · Mar 9, 2015, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

How many immigrants should the country allow in every year ? As many as want to come.... or is there actually a number where you would say 'enough ' ? If you do ,do you think that stance poses a problem for unskilled or low skilled Americans ?

The congress could have addressed that already, the senate passed a bill a year ago but conservatives have not acted, nor have a bill of their own. Even republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush has said they should enact a law, instead of hollering about executive actions. Executive action I might add that every president since Reagan has taken. It's the same with the ACA Tom, and both are before the supreme court because repeal with no replace is the republican solution to everything.

Picking fruit and vegetables may be low/no skilled to you, and Clete, but try going to the grocery store and buying stuff without those low skilled hard working people willing to do the job.

tomder55 · Mar 9, 2015, 09:20 AM

umm there is an existing law that the emperor has decided to violate . Tell me what is the point of passing a law that the emperor will either veto or undermine by executive action ?

I'll ask the question you dodged again .....
How many immigrants should the country allow in every year ? As many as want to come.... or is there actually a number where you would say 'enough ' ?

BTW ....Jebbabubba will never be the nominee.

talaniman · Mar 9, 2015, 09:31 AM

How many immigrants should the country allow in every year ? As many as want to come.... or is there actually a number where you would say 'enough ' ?

TBD by the CONGRESS. That's their JOB!

tomder55 · Mar 9, 2015, 09:35 AM

there are already immigration laws. You are saying that Congress must pass a new law to the liking of the emperor because he refuses to enforce the existing law and is rewriting it by fiat . What I call that is an executive who runs an unconstitutional imperial tyranny .

talaniman · Mar 9, 2015, 09:59 AM

Obviously Tom the laws haven't worked very well if the problem keeps getting worse and every president has to tweak it until the congress does SOMETHING! You don't get to holler what the Prez doesn't like until there is a bill on his desk and he vetoes it. Then the congress can OVERRIDE him.

As far a the constitutional legality of his actions, SCOTUS is holding hearings as we WRITE, on this,and other issues.

tomder55 · Mar 9, 2015, 11:01 AM

I don't need SCOTUS to tell me what's unconstitutional. He has gone way beyond the claim he makes of 'prosecutorial discretion . Yes other Presidents have used it to delay deportations due to wars ,and other natural disasters . No other president has claimed the constitutional authority to ignore immigration law because he believes it’s unfair as a matter of permanent national policy.
This is failure to faithfully execute the law ;and worse .It's seizing the authority to make law .

NeedKarma · Mar 9, 2015, 11:48 AM

I don't need SCOTUS to tell me what's unconstitutional.

If it's unconstitutional then why aren't the republicans dong anything about it?

talaniman · Mar 9, 2015, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

If it's unconstitutional then why aren't the republicans dong anything about it?

SHHHH!! If they holler long and loud then they figure no one will notice them doing NOTHING about anything.

@Tom

It's the job of SCOTUS to say what's constitutional, or NOT. So I do need a ruling from them. Not that I don't trust you Tom, but verification would be NICE.