[Tuttyd]

We all know the objective of the democrats are to reach 100% abortion rates in the minorities by any means possible.

Any minority group that votes democrat probibly deserves a 100% abortion rate anyway.

Can you cite this 100% figure?

[smoothy]

Can you prove its wrong?

[paraclete]

what is it you would like to prove wrong? the concept? or the statistic?

[Tuttyd]

Can you prove its wrong?

Yes,

The burden of proof lies with the person making the statistically unfalsifiable claim.

Leaving that aside for the moment. All I need to do is find one Democrat, or state the possibility that one Democrat, doesn't support your contention.

This being the case then 100% of Democrates must be false.

[smoothy]

THe fact that they want even more blacks to get abortions so thre are fewer of them around... being they already murder well over half of the babies they conceive now. SO they want to make it free and even easier to bump up those numbers as high as they possibly can... 100% is as high as they can go.

[Tuttyd]

THe fact that they want even more blacks to get abortions so thre are fewer of them around... being they already murder well over half of the babies they conceive now. SO they want to make it free and even easier to bump up those numbers as high as they possibly can... 100% is as high as they can go.

OK. That's a different argument to the one you put forward.

[smoothy]

OK. That's a different argument to the one you put forward.

No it isn't. It's a well known fact here... of course being on the other side of the planet... you wouldn't be aware of it. Can't say if you have any minority groups with already extraordinarily high abortion rates that have people pushing for making it easier and free which would only increase those numbers in Australia... that sort of information doesn't make its way here.

[Tuttyd]

No it isn't. It's a well known fact here... of course being on the other side of the planet... you wouldn't be aware of it. Can't say if you have any minority groups with already extraordinarily high abortion rates that have people pushing for making it easier and free which would only increase those numbers in Australia... that sort of information doesn't make its way here.

Ok. How about we change the subject matter.

You did mention Australia. I will tell you what I know.

In Australia we only have one state that has abortion on demand. Abortion in Australia is controlled by individual states.

In Australia abortion is rarely a hot issue.

I am not sure about indigenous Australians. They may have a higher termination rate. I believe that overall abortion is slowly decreasing.

Having said that one would need to look at the facts and figures, especially in relation to particular age groups.

As I said, this is off the top of my head. Everyone is free to do the research and inform me. Saves me doing it.

[smoothy]

Here the black abortion rate are more than double those of the next highest ethnic group. Which if memory serves me right are the hispanics. Both of these groups are statisticly proven to have low usage of condoms or other forms of birth control.

Just looking at the posts on this site... you can see the extraordinarily high rate of complete ignorance of the human reproductive system. Making Abortions free and as easier to get than cigarettes would only encourage more of that same behavior. You have to present an ID to buy cigarettes here... they want to give abortions to 14 year olds without the parents knowledge or consent. I read in the newspaper today that 42% of black women in the USA either have or have had an STD, it was in a left wing newspaper that had the article. THat actually surprised me it was that high.

Those numbers would go even higher.

[paraclete]

Have to say smoothy I don't think the availability of abortion has anything to do with promiscurity, that is a cultural thing and seems to be a much higher rate in your country than in others, such as Australia, which may account for different abortion rates even though there are similarities in our societies. The one similarity we don't share is the population of coloured races so that may account for a greater rate in your country, but it is a long bow to suggest that abortion is made easy to get rid of coloured races. I think you just tend to do things to excess, whether it be guns, promiscurity or political corruption

[Catsmine]

but it is a long bow to suggest that abortion is made easy to get rid of coloured races.

I'm afraid the bow isn't as long as you might think. The founder of Planned Parenthood was an ardent Eugenicist.

Margaret Sanger’s Negro Project - National Historic Americans | Examiner.com

Later in life she broke with the German eugenicists, but that was long after the organization was up and running.

[tomder55]

Have to say smoothy I don't think the availability of abortion has anything to do with promiscurity, that is a cultural thing and seems to be a much higher rate in your country than in others, such as Australia, which may account for different abortion rates even though there are similarities in our societies. The one similarity we don't share is the population of coloured races so that may account for a greater rate in your country, but it is a long bow to suggest that abortion is made easy to get rid of coloured races. I think you just tend to do things to excess, whether it be guns, promiscurity or political corruption

Read Cdad's link to Sanger and learn more about the eugenics movement that was a big part of end of the 19th century thinking in American scientific and academia thinking. We like to believe that it was confined to Germany's barbaric policies ;but all over Europe and the US you can find laws regarding forced sterilizations.
Margaret Sanger ,founder of Planned Parenthood was a devoted disciple of eugenics and Malthusian solutions. Her motives for opening her clinics was clearly rooted in a racist application of these movements.

[paraclete]

what you have written has nothing to do with teh statements I made and very little to do with the abortion debate. fact is this is the "me" society in action, you know the un-holy trinity, me, myself and I, I'm sure you know that very well

[talaniman]

Unfortunately the abortion debate as well as the discussion on race has sunk to an excuse to keep people underserved, underpaid, and under represented, and hidden by innuendo, obstacles and political tricks. None of which is based in fact which is a testament to the distraction of division and entrenchment of the idea of who is worthy, and who is not. The legacy of power and money has become the goal and the destination.

That's your me, myself, and I, generation Clete, its us. Not the old or young but us railing against THEM to keep what we have and get more while the young and old languish as the victims of our thinking and actions, as we tell them what's best for them, and make rules that apply only to them, and affect only them. The very definition of institutional racism.

[cdad]

Sure sure Tal, and then we have stories like this coming from the generation your saying we are stealing from.

Rachel Canning Loses Effort to Make Parents Pay High School Tuition - ABC News

Many children of today have no respect for elders and have taken it upon their generation to be entitled. It is a generation that is spinning out of control very fast due to progressive education.

[talaniman]

I won't judge a generation by the actions of a brat or her lawyer.

[Catsmine]

I won't judge a generation

This is a perfect synopsis of the Left Wing fallacy: judging groups instead of individuals. This fallacy lumps people such as Bill Cosby, Allen West, and Al Sharpton together because of the melanin content in their skin or Billy Graham, John Paul II, and Jim Jones because of their belief system. I'm not accusing you, Tal. This wasn't your point at all. You just happened to put the words together in the perfect order to let me make my point.

[talaniman]

I think it's a much more complicated issue Cats, for individuals and groups, and you have to listen to both for their attitudes and concerns to be properly understood. Its too easy to dismiss what we may not agree with, or don't like the messengers. Or are just afraid of.

[Tuttyd]

Read Cdad's link to Sanger and learn more about the eugenics movement that was a big part of end of the 19th century thinking in American scientific and academia thinking. We like to believe that it was confined to Germany's barbaric policies ;but all over Europe and the US you can find laws regarding forced sterilizations.
Margaret Sanger ,founder of Planned Parenthood was a devoted disciple of eugenics and Malthusian solutions. Her motives for opening her clinics was clearly rooted in a racist application of these movements.

It is important to keep in mind that it wasn't only scientific and academic thinking. Eugenics existed across all political divides at the time. It was generally seen by business, government and a large cross section of the population as sensible and necessary.

Another important point is the idea for that time period was Eugenics by force. If you were labeled of a particular type then you had no choice in the matter. What is also required is to judge these matters in terms of historical perspective.

[talaniman]

Slavery was once accepted also along with Jim Crow in the south after slavery. Much of the thinking then is alive and well now despite the progress we have supposedly made.