[talaniman]

We have made some progress Clete since the days only white guys who owned land could vote.

We have a long way to go.

[paraclete]

Tal, you would think so, but that mentality remains. I get the distinct idea that only white guys who own land are entitled to any consideration and everyone else either doesn't exist or is to be exploited.

I'm wondering if you still have overseers with whips to keep the peons moving

[talaniman]

Yeah but they replaced the whips and chains with money. Just as painful, but leaves no physical marks. Has nothing to do with race anymore, its all about class defined by one class, as in the 1%.

[paraclete]

1% is that the bikers or the creators. A funny thing just occurred to me, the founders and the creators appear to have interchangeable ideas

[tomder55]

It's become a pattern . On July 2 ,right before a long Holiday break ,the emperor announced his decision to delay the employer mandate for a year .
Yesterday ,before a 4 day Thanksgiving weekend , the adm announced that they will delay for a year ,the small business Obamacare on line enrollment web site . So now all the small businesses will have to deal directly with an insurance company .This is the 2nd delay . It was due to go on line next week.
And of course the delay extends beyond the 2014 mid terms . What a surprise !
Expect a lot of last minute shopping and cancellation notices since HHS has already estimated that 49 to 80 percent of small employer (under 100 workers) plans, which cover 43 million people, would lose their grandfathered status. This is unless the emperor again unilaterally orders the temporary suspension of the requirements .

[paraclete]

Tom you are never happy, you wanted it to be delayed, when it is you complain it is an abuse of power.

[tomder55]

I want to see it repealed .

[paraclete]

You can't have everything you want, the other half want it to stay, you know the easy way out is to remove the health insurance alltogether, then you can all save to meet your medical expenses, it works for your college expense, it should work for your health expenses

[cdad]

We already have that. it is called a health savings account.

Health savings account - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[paraclete]

If it works why wasn't it the solution

[cdad]

It doesnt work for everyone because of the contribution you have to make. But it was a choice to you didnt have high expenses when you did get sick or required an operation.

[tomder55]

Medicaid for years has struggled with a shortage of doctors willing to accept its low reimbursement rates and red tape, forcing many patients to wait for care, particularly from specialists like Dr. Mazer.

Yet in just five weeks, millions of additional Americans will be covered by the program, many of them older people with an array of health problems. The Congressional Budget Office predicts that nine million people will gain coverage through Medicaid next year alone. In many of the 26 states expanding the program, the newly eligible have been flocking to sign up.

Community clinics, which typically provide primary but not specialty care, have expanded and hired more medical staff members to meet the anticipated wave of new patients. And managed-care companies are recruiting doctors, nurse practitioners and other professionals into their networks, sometimes offering higher pay if they improve care while keeping costs down. But it is far from clear that the demand can be met, experts say.

In California, with the nation's largest Medicaid population, many doctors say they are already overwhelmed and are unable to take on more low-income patients.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/29/us...aid-rolls.html

[paraclete]

so train more doctors or inport them from India and Pakistan tell you what, we'll let you have some you gave us, one is J Patel, he's headed your way

[tomder55]

won't work . The problem is not a lack of doctors . The problem is that doctors don't choose to be slaves of the state .

[NeedKarma]

doctors don't choose to be slaves of the state

What about the millions of other civil servants? Are they all idiot slaves to the state?
You realize that you are the only industrialized nation that doesn't have universal healthcare, right? So they are all wrong and you are the only one who is right?

[tomder55]

Doctors are still free to work as free people in this country and to accept and reject patients if the government is going to screw the doctors of their just compensation .

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

screw the doctors of their just compensation .

Medical school IS expensive... But, they shouldn't make it all back in two weeks.

excon

[tomder55]

would you do a job if your compensation is less than your overhead or what you consider a reasonable return for your service ? You must know that being a doctor often means more than practicing medicine. You have to be a business manager and employer ,with all that entails .

[excon]

Hello again,tom:

would you do a job if your compensation is less than your overhead or what you consider a reasonable return for your service ?

Obamacare did NOTHING to control rising prices. Personally, I wouldn't buy a policy that didn't pay the doctors bills. Who would? Therefore, doctors will CONTINUE to make jillions and a few jillion more. So will big pharma and so will medical manufacturers.

Oh, that's right. You think Obama is running ALL of it. Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

[speechlesstx]

I thought Obamacare was all about bending the cost curve. He meant downward, but good to see you confirming the liar-in-chief's lies.