[Tuttyd]

There is more than a minor difference in "justification" which is what I said and "general endorsement." The reality on the ground supports my view.

This may well be the case as far as "reality" is concerned. But you cannot argue from what she said in particular to what is generally the case.

That are other ways of doing it but not in this case.

[Tuttyd]

Again, I base this on the reality. The reality is my example would lead to an explosion of outrage.

Yes, it would if ANY white person said it. I don't see the problem.

[speechlesstx]

Tut, this isn't a debate, it's a current events discussion.

[Tuttyd]

Tut, this isn't a debate, it's a current events discussion.

Sorry my mistake.

[speechlesstx]

Yes, it would if ANY white person said it. I don't see the problem.

No, the reality is liberals get a pass for the outrageous things they say.

[talaniman]

Not with conservatives like you around to point out every outrage even if you have to edit it creatively, and assign your own spin to it.

[speechlesstx]

Not with conservatives like you around to point out every outrage even if you have to edit it creatively, and assign your own spin to it.

Everyone assigns their own spin, everyone picks and chooses what to quote and the left is just as bad if not worse at pointing out every perceived outrage but the difference is we don't have the media power backing us up like you do. That and I linked to the whole video so you could check it out for yourself, that's full disclosure my friend.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

I guess it helps you to believe that everybody THINKS like you. And if only the media would tell the truth, everybody would know it.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Sorry ex, but unlike you libs I actually cherish and defend your right to be wrong.

[speechlesstx]

Moving on... a band of students at George Washington University have mobilized to have the chaplain removed apparently because he's Catholic or something.

Two gay seniors who said they felt alienated by the Newman Center's controversial priest will launch a campaign this week to force him off campus.

At least a dozen students, including seniors Damian Legacy and Blake Bergen, say they have left the Newman Center in the last several years because Father Greg Shaffer’s strong anti-gay and anti-abortion views are too polarizing. Shaffer, a Roman Catholic priest, has spent five years preaching to GW students.

The former Newman Center members are creating a video with testimony from 10 other Catholic students, who cite Shaffer as the reason they left the chapel, hoping to inflame a largely liberal campus and force University administrators to act. Legacy and Bergen also plan to file a formal complaint with the University and hold prayer vigils outside the Newman Center until Shaffer is removed.

The students lambasted Shaffer’s counseling sessions, in which he said he advises students who are attracted to members of the same sex to remain celibate for the rest of their lives. They also criticized the priest for a fiery blog post he wrote last May, calling gay relationships "unnatural and immoral" after President Barack Obama came out in support of same-sex marriage.

“We have to appeal to him. In the end, he’s the one preaching on Sunday. He’s the one counseling these students,” Legacy said. “The money doesn't matter to him, but when you see the faces of the people you’re turning away, you see the people who say ‘Oh, I would go to church all the time, but I don’t like Father Greg.’ When you meet them at their level, that’s going to hit them harder because it’s something they’re going to understand.”

More than a few students have a much different opinion of Fr. Greg, but who's counting? I'm sure there are more than enough others out willing to tell this minority exactly what they want to hear in the name of tolerance, who needs a guy that cares and has convictions?

[talaniman]

Don't gay people who are being told they are immoral, and unnatural allowed to be outraged? It's their right.

[speechlesstx]

Don't gay people who are being told they are immoral, and unnatural allowed to be outraged? Its their right.

Sure they have a right to be outraged just as priests have a right to their religious convictions. He's Catholic, what did they expect when they went to his services? You just still have this misguided notion that the government, or a small minority of whiners with hurt feelings (more like manufactured outrage) are right to impose their beliefs and values on people (Christians) of faith. Don't worry, I have little faith that GWU will have Fr Greg's back. I'm sure he'll be silenced, censured, fired or whatever and they can hire a nice Unitarian to tell them what they want to hear.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

Let me see... A hospital is not a church. A college campus is not a church... What's he doing there in the first place??

Does the University accept money that students borrowed from the government?? It does. I don't want MY tax money supporting RELIGIOUS anti-abortion beliefs.. Don't I have that right? We DO have a separation of church and state... Let him go preach in church...

My religious freedom is being stomped on here.

excon

PS> (edited) Hmmm... My argument sounds strangely familiar..

[speechlesstx]

It's a private university, founded by a Baptist missionary.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

Yes, I see that it's private.. I also see that they accept government money that LOOKS like student loans. Even though the university wants to PRETEND it's not my tax money, it IS, and I won't have it.

excon

PS> Man, oh Man... This is sounding terribly familiar.. What could it be? Hmmm..

[speechlesstx]

It is familiar, it's just like Obamacare where you also mistakenly believe the first amendment is irrelevant.

[tomder55]

That is quite a stretch . The government does away with the private student loan industry and then you argue that because a STUDENT is taking a loan ,that the school that student is going to is accepting government funding... down the rabbit hole we go .

[talaniman]

I have a great idea, no more tax exemptions for the church, since it's a private institution any way. That would add loot to the treasury. Do away with private health insurance companies too. That would save us all a lot of loot too. Doing away with private student loan companies saved a lot of loot too!

Eureka! Get rid of all those private companies who suck loot out of all of us, call themselves job creators, and haven't created jobs. Or tax the freak out of them until they do.

[paraclete]

Yes Tal that makes sense, then you would have smaller churches and big name ministries because they could do less and of course, the government will step in and fill the vacuum when all those church associated charities go bust.

Its hard to know whether taxing a church constitutes a violation of the constitution since the member, etc is making a donation to the church as part of the conduct of the religion but certainly certain income shouldn't be tax protected

[speechlesstx]

Church employees pay taxes just like everyone else, but I have a much better idea than taxing churches which actually do a lot of good for people without charging a dime, let's tax abortions.

Meanwhile, speaking of vile things, Anthony Weiner is apparently running for mayor of NYC. He's a changed man says his brother, “There was definitely a douchiness about him that I just don’t really see anymore.”

Allahpundit came up with his campaign slogan: Weiner 2013: Not as much of a douche.