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tomder55 · Jul 15, 2012, 04:23 PM

Try and Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Edit.. posted this on the wrong question.. although it could apply

speechlesstx · Jul 15, 2012, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I was comparing my college ID card from back when to my more recent college ID card I had mentioned in an earlier post in this thread. That shows college ID cards haven't changed in over 40 years. The student's sig isn't on the ID card you are referring to? It should be or it's a pretty lame ID process that particular college is using. A college ID card is used for some pretty major transactions, not all of which are on campus. The important thing on college ID cards is the student's signature.

I know what you're referring to, I get out a lot. A signature does not prove citizenship, even Fins can sign their name.

Wondergirl · Jul 15, 2012, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I know what you're referring to, I get out a lot. A signature does not prove citizenship, even Fins can sign their name.

Yes,but if they already have my signature in front of them (the way it's done in Illinois), that will prove I am that person--or they can have me sign right there in person.

talaniman · Jul 15, 2012, 05:52 PM

If you were honest,you would admit they wanted laws in place for THIS election because it serves a purpose, theirs, to throw up obstacles NOW. How do I know? Why else would they be in such a rush while they have power?

Even after a guy admitted that's was the purpose, a republican win, you still deny it.

paraclete · Jul 15, 2012, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Try and Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured ... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

edit ..posted this on the wrong question ..although it could apply

So now you are down to every citizen proving they are a citizen because theoretically only citizens can vote. How did those dogs get on the electoral role or are they canine citizens?

tomder55 · Jul 15, 2012, 07:01 PM

That they are there is evidence that voter fraud happens. We are supposed to believe that the ones that are caught are the only incidents when it happens. There are people who have demonstrated how easy it is to commit voter fraud . In one recent demonstration ,a man ,with very little effort ,was provided with the ballot for Eric Holder ;and could've cast a vote in his name.

paraclete · Jul 16, 2012, 04:07 AM

The ultimate excuse, S*** happens, I don't think I'll take this any further

talaniman · Jul 16, 2012, 06:07 AM

If that were the case,explain why the guy in the OP said what he said about this being a way for Romney to win the election?

I don't discount that angle of this discussion, nor do I ignore the implication that voter fraud is a democratic thing, or that its justified questioning the rights of millions.

Come on, if this is the best you can do, It could be done better.

speechlesstx · Jul 16, 2012, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Yes,but if they already have my signature in front of them (the way it's done in Illinois), that will prove I am that person--or they can have me sign right there in person.

I can sign my wife's and my daughter's name no problem. No one could sign yours?

speechlesstx · Jul 16, 2012, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

If that were the case,explain why the guy in the OP said what he said about this being a way for Romney to win the election?

I don't discount that angle of this discussion, nor do I ignore the implication that voter fraud is a democratic thing, or that its justified questioning the rights of millions.

Come on, if this is the best you can do, It could be done better.

You say it's because Thelma is being disenfranchised by having to get a free ID while we say it's because Joseph Cheeseboro and Joseph Cheeseborough who both live in apt 711 at the 7-Eleven store on South Broad won't get to vote.

Free ID or fake voters? I don't think the choice is that difficult.

excon · Jul 16, 2012, 06:32 AM

Hello again, wingers:

As honest brokers of the truth, the lefty's here admit there IS some voter fraud.. How much, we don't know... YOU don't know either.. You SPECULATE.

Should these laws be implemened, LOTS of otherwise eligible voters WILL be thrown off the rolls. When it was reported in PA that it would be up 750,000 people, you called it spin. But, you don't know. Certainly, when all the states are taken into account, we're talking about MILLIONS of voters...

So, what I want to ask you is this; do you even CONSIDER that voter suppression MIGHT be a factor behind the push for ID's?

excon

speechlesstx · Jul 16, 2012, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by excon

NOBODY wants somebody to vote who isn't qualified to vote. But, to disenfranchise MILLIONS of eligible voters...

What MILLIONS? What body orifice are you pulling these numbers from??

Personally, I don't care if one person is "disenfranchised" by having to lift a finger to finally get an ID, it's the right thing to do to maintain the integrity of our elections. Perhaps if you lefties would stop treating people as if they're too stupid and helpless to do anything we could get somewhere in this country.

Wondergirl · Jul 16, 2012, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

maintain the integrity of our elections

What did I miss? When did its integrity become compromised?

Wondergirl · Jul 16, 2012, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I can sign my wife's and my daughter's name no problem. No one could sign yours?

Nope.

excon · Jul 16, 2012, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Perhaps if you lefties would stop treating people as if they're too stupid and helpless to do anything we could get somewhere in this country.

Hello again, Steve:

Dude! It's wingers like YOU who think poor people are stupid and helpless. See, smoothy's posts... Nope. These are POOR people. I know you don't understand this, but requiring them to jump through these hoops will have the effect of DISENFRANCHISING them. It's got NOTHING to do with intelligence or helplessness. It's got to do with MONEY.. Gas to town might cost two days meals...

You guys have NO clue what that's about... WORSE than that, you don't even PRETEND to understand about the poor. To YOU, these people are STUPID and HELPLESS... The TRUTH is out...

excon

Wondergirl · Jul 16, 2012, 07:01 AM

And how will "these people" find out they need ID until they show up to vote and are turned away? (That's the hope, isn't it!) They can't afford computers or even a subscription to the newspaper or news magazines, probably don't spend hours watching TV (if they even have one), live in an insular community where day-to-day survival is the topic of conversation. Low IQ? no. Uninformed? Yes.

talaniman · Jul 16, 2012, 07:07 AM

LOL!! What do you expect from the pee on my head and call it prosperity crowd? We see how supply with no demand works, so do they! Except they like it like that, we don't.

They know their guy will pee on their head, that's what they want, and they want us to like it too! The can't figure out why, and that's blowing their brains.

tomder55 · Jul 16, 2012, 07:35 AM

jump through these hoops

??
The only thing they don't do in PA is send a stretch limo to escort the people to pick up their ID . Geeze... I understand that the left doesn't think people should take any responsibility unto themselves (note the new welfare decree ) .But come on! Nothing disenfrancises anyone who is eligible to vote. All it means is taking the minimal effort necessary to do it .

excon · Jul 16, 2012, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

All it means is taking the minimal effort necessary to do it .

Hello again, tom:

??

The thing you righty's DON'T understand, is that minimal effort for YOU, is a major undertaking for the poor. Many don't have cars.. Many don't have drivers licenses.. Many live 100's of miles from where they have to report. Many don't have birth certificates, and don't have the money to get one.

I really don't know why these facts don't penetrate the right wing brain. The more you guys call them STUPID and UNABLE or UNWILLING to undertake a MINIMAL effort, the MORE you lose the debate...

excon

PS> The more I think about it, these facts DO penetrate the right wing brain.. You know that voter suppression IS the REASON you're doing it, but you'll go on spinning it to your grave...

talaniman · Jul 16, 2012, 07:53 AM

All it means is taking the minimal effort necessary to do it .

Or stretching limited resources to new limits. You didn't care about people making choices between medication, and food so this is no different. But the point is moot, since placing obstacles to the exercise of the right to vote is an old story.

My objection is not the goal, but the process that's suspect of right wing games, and agendas. Wish people from the affected areas would tell us of their experience to meet the letter of the law so we can have real facts and not right wing self rigtheous BS!!