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mmresd · May 13, 2011, 10:55 AM

I am Catholic, and maybe I shouldn't feel happy and celebrate the death of a fellow human being. However, if that human being has caused so much pain and might have continued to cause pain to other human beings then I don't feel happy, but as an American proud of what my country has done and relieved that such an evil being was erased off the Earth, so yeah it is celebration time, COME ON! I am also Peruvian, and in my country proper equal punishment and taking justice into the hands of civilians is exercised, so I don't really feel bad for celebrating a death.

Good Luck,
Javi

paraclete · May 14, 2011, 03:36 PM

If I read your post correctly you advocate the vigilante road

smoothy · May 14, 2011, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

if I read your post correctly you advocate the vigilante road

That's actually common in central and south America. Corruption and general lack of effective police patrols makes it almost necessary. ( I have Bolivian and Peruvian friends)

paraclete · May 14, 2011, 05:51 PM

It may be effective but it is no different to terrorism.

Wondergirl · May 14, 2011, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

It may be effective but it is no different to terrorism.

Terrorism is what the bad guys do to the good guys. In Central and South American, it's the other way around, so not terrorism.

smoothy · May 14, 2011, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

It may be effective but it is no different to terrorism.

I wouldn't go quite that far... without that they would have almost no law or justice at all. At least in the more rural areas. Without that the criminal element would have almost free reign.

Not that I know any of this first hand... I know it from what my friends have told me about what they left, and why.

paraclete · May 14, 2011, 06:14 PM

Yes, we know, Pinochet's death squads were essential to the health of the nation. The problem lies in identifying the criminals, so as they say, one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

smoothy · May 14, 2011, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Yes, we know, Pinochet's death squads were essential to the health of the nation. The problem lies in identifying the criminals, so as they say, one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

Pinochet was from Chile, but he was a Dictator and his death squads were government thugs.. I don't know anyone from Chile to have commented on that situation from their own perspective. I only know what history and the news has said about it.. I only know people from the more northern countries in South America and most of Central America. ( and a few from a lot farther east and west.)

BMI · May 17, 2011, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Terrorism is what the bad guys do to the good guys

Who determines who the good and bad guys are?

Wondergirl · May 17, 2011, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by BMI

Who determines who the good and bad guys are?

I have two lists.

excon · May 17, 2011, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by BMI

Who determines who the good and bad guys are?

Hello BMI:

The ones with the biggest guns.

excon

paraclete · May 17, 2011, 04:29 PM

So ex what you are saying is the bad guys determine who the bad guys are?

excon · May 17, 2011, 05:42 PM

Hello C:

Nope. I'm saying that history is written by the victors..

excon

paraclete · May 17, 2011, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello C:

Nope. I'm saying that history is written by the victors..

excon

Well who else is going to write it, the vanquished are often not to be found. Not many books have been written on the subject of we were defeated

Alty · May 17, 2011, 07:59 PM

I haven't read the entire thread. I got to page 12, and it got so far off track I gave up.

I myself will not celebrate the death of another human being, no matter how evil that human being is. I do wish justice had been served, but I don't believe that murdering him was justice, and yes, it was murder.

I have to point out something that I find amusing. Most of the people that have stated that they won't celebrate the death of a human being, aren't Christian. The majority of those dancing on his grave are Christian. I'm talking about this thread only, not the entire world (before someone debates this).

That's a real eye opener right there.

paraclete · May 17, 2011, 08:29 PM

The death of OBL was poetic justice or perhaps, natural justice, he died the same violent death in fear he offered so many others. No virgins for him!

The world has the right to celebrate the death of a tyrant just as they celebrated the death of other mass murdering tyrants. That he was obviously assassinated makes no difference. If there was more of this form of justice perhaps we would be quickly free of the tyranny of terrorism

Alty · May 17, 2011, 09:27 PM

The entire world isn't celebrating. That's the point.

Am I sad that he's dead? No. But I'm not going to celebrate the death of another human being. I've been around death far too much in my life to celebrate the death of any living thing.

You say that there should be more assassinations. More forms of this "justice". So, you're saying to abandon all the laws put in place and just go around killing anyone we think is a threat? What if you're wrong? I'm not saying that OBL was innocent, but abandon the law for one man and chaos ensues.

That's a very scary thought.

There will always be evil in the world. Killing off everyone you deem a threat won't put a stop to any of it. In fact, it may just make matters worse. Now they have a cause. Their supposed leader was assassinated. Do you really think they'll just walk away from that?

I don't think that's cause for celebration. It will get worse before it gets better. How can it not?

paraclete · May 17, 2011, 10:28 PM

Now you are carrying the thought too far, I said nothing about abandoning the laws for ordinary people but my view is that those who don't respect the law should not be protected by it. It is my belief that those who step outside the law forfeit its protection.

In WWII deciency and "law" had to be abandoned to bring the Japanese to the point of surrender. The demise of Bin Laden is no different, this has been a war against a hidden cowardly enemy. We are now at the point where things can get better, where former allegiences might be abandoned, and the radical islamic jihad may be preached a little less and ultimately fade away

tomder55 · May 18, 2011, 02:27 AM

Perhaps his death will hasten the end of this war against jihadistan. What I don't see is a lot of mourning going on for him from the ummah. That is good news anyway you slice it.

Wondergirl · May 18, 2011, 05:08 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Perhaps his death will hasten the end of this war against jihadistan. What I don't see is alot of mourning going on for him from the ummah. That is good news anyway you slice it.

And we are seeing so many educated Muslim young people rejecting the old authoritarian, theocratic ways.