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sare3kids · Aug 1, 2009, 11:15 AM

Surly there is a PDSA (peoples dispencery for sick animals) local to you. If your in receipt of benefits or your parents are then there should be no problem getting help for this kitten. Ask your local vet if you can pay it in instalments.
Or the cats protection should be able to offer some advice.
I have to say though if you can't afford the vet bills why did your mom allow the cat to become pregnant she should have had her done. Again cats protection might be able to help with that. I don't mean to moan but pet owners need to be more responsible;)

shazamataz · Aug 1, 2009, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by sare3kids

surly there is a PDSA (peoples dispencery for sick animals) local to you. if your in receipt of benefits or your parents are then there should be no problem getting help for this kitten. ask your local vet if you can pay it in instalments.
or the cats protection should be able to offer some advice.
i have to say tho if you can't afford the vet bills why did your mom allow the cat to become pregnant she should have had her done. again cats protection might be able to help with that. i dont mean to moan but pet owners need to be more responsible;)

The problem has been solved and he did get his mom to take the cat to the vet. I forget what page it was on but there were even photos of the little culprit causing all the damage.

I do agree with you though about pet owners needing to be more responsible. People should not be breeding cats or buying kittens when they don't plan on taking care of them.

taylor2012 · Aug 1, 2009, 11:56 AM

OK again... I AM A SHE!! Lol NOT a HE

And I don't want to be mean but I keep saying this... look there barn cats.. I live on a farm and all our money goes to our livestock and horses and stuff.. there really just at my house to keep the mice away.. I mean don't get me wrong I do love my cats and I give them all I can,but look,my parents aren't going to pay for them to get fixed so that they can't have anymore... theyre not house cats or anything..
So please stop saying that I need to get them fixed... thats just not going to be able to happen!!

shazamataz · Aug 2, 2009, 12:58 AM

I am going to keep on trying whether you like it or not :p lol

I appologise for calling you a 'he' though! :)

I know it's not going to work but it will make me feel better so bear with me...

Cats are domesticated animals, meaning they have become dependent on humans, now I know most cats are quite capable of fending for themselves and rarely need human interaction but it shouldn't be that way.
It is my belief that ANY breeding should be done to make that particular breed of cat/dog/rabbit/whatver better, to improve the standard and health of the animal for the next generation.

If your family just wants something to keep the mice away go out and buy a supply of mouse traps.

You don't have to feed them, take them to the vet or look after them.

You just have to empty them every few days.

HelpinHere · Aug 2, 2009, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by shazamataz

I am going to keep on trying whether you like it or not :p lol

I appologise for calling you a 'he' though! :)

I know it's not going to work but it will make me feel better so bear with me...

Cats are domesticated animals, meaning they have become dependant on humans, now I know most cats are quite capable of fending for themselves and rarely need human interaction but it shouldn't be that way.
It is my belief that ANY breeding should be done to make that particular breed of cat/dog/rabbit/whatver better, to improve the standard and health of the animal for the next generation.

If your family just wants something to keep the mice away go out and buy a supply of mouse traps.

You don't have to feed them, take them to the vet or look after them.

You just have to empty them every few days.

Sorry shaz, but I'm going to have to disagree with you here.

I've lived on a farm, I know how it is.
You don't get the cats. The cats follow the mice. They show up, as a means of surviving, following their food who are drawn to the barn.
Then, in exchange for reducing the mice population, they get a nice barn to sleep in, usually kids who will play with them, and food if they can't get enough mice.

Although the cats do deserve some veteraniary care, living this lifestyle, for a cat, is a much better alternative to being kicked out for a few mousetraps... that don't even work as well.

shazamataz · Aug 2, 2009, 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by HelpinHere

Sorry shaz, but I'm going to have to disagree with you here.

I've lived on a farm, I know how it is.
You don't get the cats. The cats follow the mice. They show up, as a means of surviving, following their food who are drawn to the barn.
Then, in exchange for reducing the mice population, they get a nice barn to sleep in, usually kids who will play with them, and food if they can't get enough mice.

Although the cats do deserve some veteraniary care, living this lifestyle, for a cat, is a much better alternative to being kicked out for a few mousetraps... that don't even work as well.

Ahhh but if everyone had house cats, or at least cats that were spayed/neutered and in loving homes they would return to and be fed, wouldn't that stop the problem of "cats showing up on farms" ;)

taylor2012 · Aug 2, 2009, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by HelpinHere

Sorry shaz, but I'm going to have to disagree with you here.

I've lived on a farm, I know how it is.
You don't get the cats. The cats follow the mice. They show up, as a means of surviving, following their food who are drawn to the barn.
Then, in exchange for reducing the mice population, they get a nice barn to sleep in, usually kids who will play with them, and food if they can't get enough mice.

Although the cats do deserve some veteraniary care, living this lifestyle, for a cat, is a much better alternative to being kicked out for a few mousetraps... that don't even work as well.

Thank you :)

Shaz... you don't live a farm (I suppose)
.. so please,its different.. yes I did take my cat to the vet after my mom seen what was wrong with it,so we do provide them with vet care,and we do feed them and everything.. soooooo,I don't really see a problem with them being barn cats lol

shazamataz · Aug 2, 2009, 07:04 AM

I know you took your cat to the vet taylor, I wasn't saying otherwise, it was just a general discussion about cats on farms.

2 against one so I will leave it be, don't want it to turn into a kitty war :p

JudyKayTee · Aug 2, 2009, 07:14 AM

Nobody is saying kick the cats out in favor of mousetraps. What IS being said is to stop the breeding - I don't see that these cats have wonderful lives.

And, Taylor, I don't want to be "mean" either but when you post a question you have to be prepared for various opinions and answers and you should not be attempting to tell people how your questions should be answered.

I understand barn cats vs house cats - I also understand over population and suffering. Maybe your cats are happy, content, well taken care of. I don't know that. I just know that over population leads to unhappy situations.

shazamataz · Aug 2, 2009, 07:50 AM

Thanks Judy, that's what I was trying to say, you just worded it a lot better ;)

taylor2012 · Aug 2, 2009, 10:20 AM

...
If their going to post their opions (dont don't mind you saying them) them I'm going to say mine too.
I'm not argueing or anything... im just saying

shazamataz · Aug 2, 2009, 11:05 AM

Everyone has different opinions, that what makes this site great.

As long as everyone can discuss them and give their reasons they are for or against a certain opinion I have no problems.

I just said why I think cats should be inside and/or spay/neutered.
I know Helpinhere and yourself disagrees with me which is fine, you never know, you might just change someone's mind about a subject if you present a strong enough argument.

HelpinHere · Aug 2, 2009, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by shazamataz

Ahhh but if everyone had house cats, or at least cats that were spayed/neutered and in loving homes they would return to and be fed, wouldn't that stop the problem of "cats showing up on farms" ;)

Yes, but no.
In my opinion, I see cats, as generally domesticated, but they are still on the wild side... if that makes sense. Right now, as it stands, I see many cats in the wild, and they wouldn't dream of living with people. When a cat would rather fight to the death than be spayed/neutered (seen it happen, :() then I see it's primal urge for survival and reproduction as more than just a problem, and not entirely humanity's fault...
If that makes sense... :confused:

Originally Posted by JudyKayTee

Maybe your cats are happy, content, well taken care of. I don't know that. I just know that over population leads to unhappy situations.

True, I agree with you, but as I said above, overpopulation is not entirely human's fault, so I don't believe, if the humans didn't entice the cats themselves to come, then they shouldn't be completely the human's responsibility.
Also, is it really overpopulation if

Shaz, It's not 2v1 (even before JKT showed up) I know it may have sounded that way, but I am actually trying to be neutral ground. Saying yes, we do need to help take care of them, but no, it's not our place to "own" these types of cats.
Hope that makes more sense.

shazamataz · Aug 2, 2009, 01:19 PM

Yes it does make sense.
I do understand that there are cats out there that could never be tamed and would be miserable living inside, I don't doubt that at all.

We have a few strays near us that absolutely refuse to come near us, but have a few others that are happy to be fed by us and even let us pet them but the others just plain refuse.

My side of the argument is that if all the strays were neutered (I know it is unrealistic) and people didn't breed their cats without proper knowledge and without screening homes then we would just have content house cats.

That is just my fantasy scenario, I know 'wild' cats will always be out there but for me it would be nice to think that one day I can make a difference and save a few cats from being mistreated or starve on the streets.

This is going slightly off topic, but a lot of people who let their cat breed willy nilly or even plan a litter just sell or give away the kitten to whoever wants them. They have no idea if that person is going to keep the cat until the day it dies, look after it and love it.
Now people who breed cats "professionally" screen their homes and make darn well sure they are going to be staying their for the rest of their life, and in some cases even check the finances of the person buying it to make sure they can afford vet care.

Sorry for the big rant, I live about 5 minutes away from my local shelter so I know how many animals are abandoned there, some people don't even bother going to the shelter they just dump their animals in our suburb.

:)

taylor2012 · Aug 2, 2009, 03:57 PM

I don't breed my cats on purpse..
Its just wild tom cats that come up and you know,get with the mom cat lol
It not my fault they get pregnant

JudyKayTee · Aug 2, 2009, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by taylor2012

i dont breed my cats on purpse..
its just wild tom cats that come up and you know,get with the mom cat lol
it not my fault they get pregnat

I agree - but if they were neutered/spayed, if you checked into free neuter/spay programs, they wouldn't be able to get "pregnat."

JudyKayTee · Aug 2, 2009, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by HelpinHere

Yes, but no.
In my opinion, I see cats, as generally domesticated, but they are still on the wild side... if that makes sense. Right now, as it stands, I see many cats in the wild, and they wouldn't dream of living with people. When a cat would rather fight to the death than be spayed/neutered (seen it happen, :() then I see it's primal urge for survival and reproduction as more than just a problem, and not entirely humanity's fault...
if that makes sense.... :confused:

Shaz, It's not 2v1 (even before JKT showed up) I know it may have sounded that way, but I am actually trying to be neutral ground. Saying yes, we do need to help take care of them, but no, it's not our place to "own" these types of cats.
Hope that makes more sense.

For the record - I didn't "show up" for the purpose of breaking a tie or defendant "Shaz." I post on these threads all the time.

I don't know where you are. I'm in an area and I work with a feral cat program. Feral cats are trapped, neutered/spayed, returned to where they were trapped on a regular basis. I haven't seen a single one fight to the death rather than be neutered/spayed. How does this happen? In my area they are trapped in humane traps, sedated and then the surgery is performed.

No one ever owns them or even attempts to own them - they do not make good housepets (an understatement) and they ARE returned to the "wild."

All that happens is that the wild cat population is reduced because they do not reproduce.

At one time I was very active in pet rescue. Now I am somewhat active. There are certain animals, both cats and dogs, which have been through experiences, including animal "farms," which render them incapable of being housepets. It's a sad fact.

So in my area they are - again! - spayed/neutered and returned to the "wild."

But I am curious how a cat can fight to the death to avoid being neutered.

HelpinHere · Aug 2, 2009, 05:02 PM

Well, I don't mean it DOES die fighting, but I mean it seems like the cat would rather die than be caught... sorry for the misunderstanding.

I wasn't trying to say you were defending Shaz or anything, just trying to say I wasn't going against her.

And, even on the other side of the country, they have a very similar program.

JudyKayTee · Aug 2, 2009, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by HelpinHere

Well, I don't mean it DOES die fighting, but I mean it seems like the cat would rather die than be caught... sorry for the misunderstanding.

I wasn't trying to say you were defending Shaz or anything, just trying to say I wasn't going against her.

And, even on the other side of the country, they have a very similar program.

We're certainly in agreement, then. It is a shame that there aren't more of these spay/neuter programs out there.

People dump off cats and kittens in my neighborhood all the time - they figure "we're" rural and so we can take them in. I see them starved, chased, torn apart by dogs, run over by cars, all the time. I lot more money is needed for a spay/neuter program but in these times, in this economy, there is little that can be done and the numbers are overwhelming.

Most of them turn feral and are actually dangerous.

I guess we all do what we can and hope we are making a difference.

And we all keep preaching - maybe to the choir!

N0help4u · Aug 2, 2009, 05:50 PM

There is a ferral spay and neuter clinic where I live too but catching them can be another matter. Then her parents might not be willing to take time and drive them there.
I know my cats went ferral and I can't catch them.
My one cat use to fight all the time and get absesses from it. He never did learn his lesson.