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ordinaryguy · Apr 12, 2009, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by cozyk

The unchanging part is actually the down side.

I'm with you on this, cozy.

ordinaryguy · Apr 12, 2009, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Tj3

The Holy Spirit only indwells believers.

By "believers" do you mean people who accept the same canon of Scripture, and the same interpretation of it that you do? Are you quite sure that the Spirit's indwelling is so strictly limited? I don't think so.

Tj3 · Apr 12, 2009, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by ordinaryguy

By "believers" do you mean people who accept the same canon of Scripture, and the same interpretation of it that you do?

I am referring to the definition of believers given in scripture.

Are you quite sure that the Spirit's indwelling is so strictly limited? I don't think so.

I trust God's word. You can believe as you wish.

classyT · Apr 12, 2009, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Tj3

God does not contradict His word:

John 3:18-19
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
NKJV

How do you interpret that?

Tj3,

You are 100 percent right on. He places His word above His name. He doesn't lie... he WILL NEVER contradict His word. I wanted to give you a great big greenie but I need to spread the love first. It appears I agree withja too much.. ha! :)

arcura · Apr 12, 2009, 09:25 PM

I must agree with Tj3 on this.
I do believe that...
Holy Scripture contains the Word of God.
Thus what is says there is truth.
Therefor that is what I follow.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

cozyk · Apr 13, 2009, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by Tj3

I am referring to the definition of believers given in scripture.

I trust God's word. You can believe as you wish.

What made you pick THIS to be a believer in when there are so many choices. What makes the scripture more valid than anything else?

450donn · Apr 13, 2009, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by cozyk

What made you pick THIS to be a believer in when there are so many choices. What makes the scripture more valid than anything else?

2Timothy 3:16 tells us.
So IF YOU are to believe the word of God at all you must also believe this passage of scripture. Otherwise you are free to choose the book of? As your gospel and follow it.

cozyk · Apr 13, 2009, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by 450donn

2Timothy 3:16 tells us.
So IF YOU are to believe the word of God at all you must also believe this passage of scripture. Otherwise you are free to choose the book of? as your gospel and follow it.

What made you decide THIS was the sentence of all sentences in all the books of faith to take as your law?

450donn · Apr 13, 2009, 09:02 AM

Do I need to type it out for you?
OK, Here it is;
2Ti3:16
"ALL scripture is inspired by GOD and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
17, so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."

cozyk · Apr 13, 2009, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by 450donn

Do I need to type it out for you?
OK, Here it is;
2Ti3:16
"ALL scripture is inspired by GOD and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
17, so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."

Okaaaaaaaaaaayyy. If you believe so. But I don't get you. A little testy and a little lacking in original thought. But you can sure read and recite well.:rolleyes:

ordinaryguy · Apr 13, 2009, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Tj3

I am referring to the definition of believers given in scripture.

That would be the scriptural canon that YOU have chosen as legitimate, and the interpretation of it that YOU have accepted as valid, wouldn't it? Why is it so hard for you to own these as YOUR choices, while still allowing others to make their own?

cozyk · Apr 13, 2009, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by ordinaryguy

That would be the scriptural canon that YOU have chosen as legitimate, and the interpretation of it that YOU have accepted as valid, wouldn't it? Why is it so hard for you to own these as YOUR choices, while still allowing others to make their own?

My thoughts exactly Ordinaryguy. We still can't get him to say why this is the one he chose.:eek: How hard is that to answer?

Tj3 · Apr 13, 2009, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by ordinaryguy

That would be the scriptural canon that YOU have chosen as legitimate, and the interpretation of it that YOU have accepted as valid, wouldn't it?

I did not choose it, and I do not interpret it. It was God ordained.

Why is it so hard for you to own these as YOUR choices, while still allowing others to make their own?

Anyone can choose what they want.

Tj3 · Apr 13, 2009, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by classyT

Tj3,

You are 100 percent right on. He places His word above His name. He doesn't lie....he WILL NEVER contradict His word. I wanted to give you a great big greenie but I need to spread the love first. It appears I agree withja too much..ha! :)

Thanks. Agreeing too much is not a problem - after all there is a harmony between those who are indwelt by the Holy Spirit!

ordinaryguy · Apr 14, 2009, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Tj3

there is a harmony between those who are indwelt by the Holy Spirit!!

Maybe that explains why cozy and I get along so well.

ordinaryguy · Apr 14, 2009, 05:16 PM

Tj3 disagrees: The canon was chosen by God.

And how was it, exactly, that He communicated His choice to you?

ordinaryguy · Apr 14, 2009, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Tj3

I did not choose it, and I do not interpret it. It was God ordained.

I guess this is why you think it's OK to browbeat other people with it. If you admitted that these were YOUR choices, not God's, it would be a lot harder to pull that off with a somber face.

Anyone can choose what they want.

And that "anyone" includes you. You're blaming God for your choices. If that's not a sin, it should be.

Tj3 · Apr 14, 2009, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by ordinaryguy

And how was it, exactly, that He communicated His choice to you?

You mean to the body of believers?

Tj3 · Apr 14, 2009, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by ordinaryguy

I guess this is why you think it's OK to browbeat other people with it.

Other people share their opinions, but when Christians do it, you call it browbeating. Heheh.

If you admitted that these were YOUR choices, not God's, it would be a lot harder to pull that off with a somber face.

You'd have me lie and claim to have chosen the canon when God alone was the one who could do it?

I also wonder why those who hate Christianity all too often see the need to point fingers at Christians rather than discuss the topic.

ordinaryguy · Apr 14, 2009, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Tj3

Other people share their opinions,

The difference is that you claim that these opinions are God's, not yours. I don't have a problem with you sharing your opinion. It's your claim that it's also God's opinion I object to. If God wants me to know His opinion, He has ways to contact me directly.

but when Christians do it, you call it browbeating. Heheh.

I was referring to your individual behavior, not to "Christians" generally. In fact, very few of the Christians that I know personally act that way.