[tomder55]

What makes you think that she wasn't taught about alternative birth control ? Birth control is taught throughout the US and still teen pregnancy is epidemic .

[NeedKarma]

Ok then.

[excon]

Hello again:

The Padre closed another thread because he believes that the pregnant daughter ISN'T fodder for political discussion. However, the candidate herself brings up her disabled daughter as fodder for the discussion...

In the legal world, we would say she opened the door to the discussion of her family since SHE brought it up first.

I DON'T think the status of her children IS an issue. I DO think being one way about it, IS an issue.

It should be noted, that when she was mayor, she tried to have books removed from the library and threatened to fire the librarian when she wouldn't do it. She thinks our invasion of Iraq was a message from God. She will outlaw ALL abortions, even pregnancies that resulted from rape. She DID support the bridge to nowhere BEFORE she was against it. She RAISED taxes on the citizens of Alaska. She is under investigation for abuse of power in her own state.

excon

[tomder55]

Clearly the families have always been an issue. Like it or not. I don't think she used her Down syndrome son as a prop as you claim except to say she will be an advocate of special needs children. But both she and Biden pointed out the military careers of their children . Obama also displays his children when it is convenient .

If some children are open to scrutiny then all are .Despite the unwritten rule that Amy Carter and Chelsea Clinton were out of bounds ;it did not stop the press from reporting on any sip of booze the Bush twins took.

As for the bridge to nowhere I will note that there are 2 candidates left in the race who voted for it even though an alternative was proposed to fund repairs for a bridge over Interstate 10 on Louisiana's Lake Pontchartrain ruined by Hurricane Katrina. The 2 Senators who voted for the so called Bridge to Nowhere were Obama and Biden.

[speechlesstx]

If she can't convince / persuade her 17 year old daughter to fall in line with her beliefs then how is anyone else expected to take her seriously. C'mon...

The inexperience issue has just been completely taken out of the election.

Skell, sorry buddy but this is silly. Having been a teenager once I know full well that they don't always do what's right even though they know what's right. Heck, it's the same way with adults. A kid making a bad decision doesn't mean mom's a failure. If that were the case EVERY parent is a failure.

[speechlesstx]

But had the child been educated that there were other birth control options then a pregnancy may not have happened.

But then again it may have anyway. You guys are really reaching to find fault with the Palins' parenting skills. Good luck with that.

[Emland]

"It should be noted, that when she was mayor, she tried to have books removed from the library and threatened to fire the librarian when she wouldn't do it. She thinks our invasion of Iraq was a message from God. She will outlaw ALL abortions, even pregnancies that resulted from rape. She DID support the bridge to nowhere BEFORE she was against it. She RAISED taxes on the citizens of Alaska. She is under investigation for abuse of power in her own state."

Tried and failed with the books - hopefully she learned an important lesson.

Message from God? - Seems like everyone involved in the Middle East is getting messages from God, but nobody listens.

Outlaw ALL abortions - that might concern me if the VP had any power in changing it. It would take the Congress to manage that enormous feat and even the right leaning Chief Justice said that case was settled law.

Nearly every politician has endorsed Pork, of course it is necessary fudning if it is going to their state, so that is nothing new or exclusive to her.

What I have learned of the abuse of power charge to this point is without merit.

I still don't know who I am voting for, though. Wish Ron Paul was an option.

[Wondergirl]

If some children are open to scrutiny then all are .Despite the unwritten rule that Amy Carter and Chelsea Clinton were out of bounds ;it did not stop the press from reporting on any sip of booze the Bush twins took.

War hero McCain at a Washington Republican fundraiser in 1998, when Chelsea was barely 18 years old and had not entered political or public life, placing her off-limits, told a joke that was reported in toto by only a few news outlets, the Phoenix New Times in Arizona and the National Journal. The joke suggested that Chelsea Clinton was ugly and Janet Reno and Hillary Clinton were lesbians. McCain later apologized to the Clintons.

[NeedKarma]

“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father.”
-John McCain, Republican Fundraiser, Washington D.C., 1998


Chelsea was just 17 years old when McCain said these cruel words… same age as Bristol.

[tomder55]

Perhaps you missed the point where I said that like it or not ;the children of the candidates are open to scrutiny . They use them as part of their campaign when it is useful for them to do so. Obama doesn't want his children to be part of the process unless it is in a controlled TV interview or on stage during the convention. Candidates use their children in their own terms and the public demands to know every detail about the politicians family anyway .So why pretend that they are out of bounds ?

[NeedKarma]

More wonderful conservative hypocrisy... priceless stuff:

Jon Stewart Annihilates Sarah Palin's Media Surrogates | Comedy Central Insider - The Comedy Blog for Comedy Fans

For my Canadian friends: The Daily Show with Jon Stewart : September 3, 2008

[spitvenom]

More wonderful conservative hypocrisy...priceless stuff:

Jon Stewart Annihilates Sarah Palin's Media Surrogates | Comedy Central Insider - The Comedy Blog for Comedy Fans

For my Canadian friends: The Daily Show with Jon Stewart : September 3, 2008

HAHA what idiots.

[Emland]

Am I the only one seeing the McCain/Palin banner under the OP? Funny.

[inthebox]

Almost a week later;

Obama's "historic" acceptance speech is long forgotten. :p

People, the media, pundits, liberal, conservative etc. are all talking about Mrs Palin.

That is a success! :D

We are comparing the GOP's VP to the Dem's presidential candidate in terms of "experience" - this is a bad sign for the Dems. :confused: :eek:

Biden? Snooooooze...

I bet Hillary is fuming... ;)

Mrs. Palin has energized the GOP base that was the goal all along.

A word to the wise on the left

- I think people will look unfavorably upon unjustified personal attacks, and that will backfire on the attackers.




I don't think Mrs Palin should not be treated with kid gloves either and she should be asked legitimate tough questions. She should be able to speak and field questions without a teleprompter.

[Wondergirl]

I think people will look unfavorably upon unjustified personal attacks, and that will backfire on the attackers.

Gosh, I wonder who is making unjustified attacks? Wednesday night speakers seemed to have had a field day doing that.

As for the "present" votes Obama made, it's a strategy thing, not an avoidance thing:

'Present' votes defended by Ill. lawmakers

[Galveston1]

I am looking forward to the Palin/Biden debate. If he thinks he's fishing for a minnow, he will be shocked to find a "barracuda".

Personally, I think using the daughter to attack the mother is slimy!

[Wondergirl]

Personally, I think using the daughter to attack the mother is slimy!

Who did that? What was said?

[progunr]

Most of your left wing media have all chimed in on the subject in one way or another.

Someone should tell NObama to stay away from the "lack of experience" attacks, talk about the pot calling the kettle black?

At least McCain will have to die before the lady with more experience than NObama would be President of the United States.

[Wondergirl]

Most of your left wing media have all chimed in on the subject in one way or another.

Someone should tell NObama to stay away from the "lack of experience" attacks, talk about the pot calling the kettle black?

At least McCain will have to die before the lady with more experience than NObama would be President of the United States.

More experience being mayor of a hamlet? More experience being governor of a state that has more reindeer than people? Has about as many people as the state of Delaware?

[ETWolverine]

Sorry for getting here so late. Been away for a while. But I'm BaaaaaaaK!!

Chou, Needkarma, laugh all you want about Palin. Palin has, in just 5 days, managed to do something that hasn't been done in 20 years. She has energized the Conservative base.

All these attacks are serving to only bring both Conservatives AND women to her defense. Not that she needs it. As we saw in last night's speech, she can hold her own against the Dem attack-dogs in the MSM.

She is going to wipe the floor with Biden. Biden may be a pit-bull, but so is Palin... even the Dem talking-heads are admitting that now. And Biden is a gaff-machine when speaking extemporaneously. And because of her greater experience, she can speak more easily and with greater knowledge about energy, government reform, pork-barrel spending and cost cutting. And she's just more exciting of a speaker than Biden. She's going to tear him a new one, and I, for one, can't wait to see it happen.

Like most of the Dem talking-heads, you guys keep talking about how Palin was a "small town mayor". You completely ignore that fact that she's the GOVERNOR of the state that produces about 1/3 of the energy of the entire country, and has had direct executive experience at managing those energy assest. Her state has a population of approximately 700,000 (a few more than the 1200 or so in the Obama campaign), a Gross State Product of $40 Billion, a per-capita GSP of $44,000 (5th in the nation) and total 2008 budget of $1,556,358,660 (a little more than the Obama campaign manages).

Good. Keep ignoring these facts. When she hands Biden his head, and then hands McCain the keys to the oval office, you'll know why it happened.

Elliot