[paraclete]

What's this? Paedophiles who aren't in the catholic church? The curse is spreading When will society decide enough is enough and take these predators on Zero tolerance policy is needed.

[smoothy]

What's this? paedophiles who arn't in the catholic church? the curse is spreading When will society decide enough is enough and take these predators on Zero tolerence policy is needed.

Zero tolerance doesn't apply when its members of the teachers union breaking the laws.

[Tuttyd]

Zero tolerance doesn't apply when its members of the teachers union breaking the laws.

Care to expand on that? What laws are the teachers breaking by participating in the arbitration process?

Tut

[paraclete]

Care to expand on that? What laws are the teachers breaking by participating in the arbitration process?

Tut

Tut you haven't been following the debate the Union is protecting abusive teachers you know what it is like over there it is like the ACLU, protect the abusers

[Tuttyd]

Tut you haven't been following the debate the Union is protecting abusive teachers you know what it is like over there it is like the ACLU, protect the abusers

Yes, they are protecting abusive teachers. No they are not breaking the law. This distinction will always come about because of the difference between Civil Law and Criminal Law ( speaking as a non-qualified legal person that is).

Most of the complains against teachers appear to be handled through an arbitration process. Arbitration is a convenient way of dealing with cases of abuse that otherwise would be too hard, too expensive and to costly to deal with under Criminal Law. And more than likely don't warrant criminal proceedings

Arbitration is legally binding but it doesn't necessarily exclude other avenues of legal action. Your Constitution guarantees a number of protection for 'law abiding citizens', but the other side of the coins means that criminal defendants also have the same protection. You cannot complain that your rights are being taken away, while at the same time showing an eagerness to take away the rights of someone accused of wrong doing. But I digress.

Litigation is used is used in the area of criminal activity while arbitration is used in the area of Civil matters. In other words, activity that is deemed less than criminal is handled with under Civil law. It seems to be a matter that is consider negotiable between the individual and the organization.

The answer is of course to change the process where by the union gets to have the greatest influence when it comes to picking an arbitrator. The answer is is to toughen up the penalties that are handed out by the arbitrators. The answer is for the state to implement criminal proceeding against teachers who partake in criminal activity.

What we have here is the usual beat-up on unions. What we have here is the usual web-site journalism whereby some journalists justify their salary and the loyalty to the boss by surfing the web for a story and then sensationalizing it as much as possible.

Tom, I am prepared to discuss The Wall Street Journal Article, but not the other nonsense you posted.

[paraclete]

Hi tut I think we have come to the point where those who commit a crime forfeit their rights

Whether they are teachers, priests or anyone else, any person of trust who violates a trust should immediately forfeit their rights. The law is an if it protects such people. Now I know what this means is that certain people cannot be allowed to hold a position of trust, but that's the way it is. Users and abusers have to go, pushed out of positions of trust, because such people cannot be reformed

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

I'm sorry.. I just don't believe that NYC cops are doing NOTHING if child rape was happening... I just don't believe it... They stop and FRISK black people, but let MOLESTERS ride??

Nahhh.. I don't believe it..

excon

[Tuttyd]

hi tut i think we have come to the point where those who commit a crime forfiet their rights

Whether they are teachers, priests or anyone else, any person of trust who violates a trust should immediately forfiet their rights. the law is an if it protects such people. Now I know what this means is that certain people cannot be allowed to hold a position of trust, but that's the way it is. Users and abusers have to go, pushed out of positions of trust, because such peopel cannot be reformed

Probably correct. However, I think my above post #1345 goes some of the way when it comes to answering why such problems exist.

I guess the law is a bureaucratic organization, just like any other major organization. They all attempt to maximize their outcomes.

The issues are complex enough with the need for sensationalist and misleading information by the media.

[tomder55]

Hello again, tom:

I'm sorry.. I just don't believe that NYC cops are doing NOTHING if child rape was happening... I just don't believe it... They stop and FRISK black people, but let MOLESTERS ride????

Nahhh.. I don't believe it..

excon

Why would you not believe it in cases of teachers ,but believe cops did nothing about predatory priests ?

[paraclete]

Why would you not believe it in cases of teachers ,but believe cops did nothing about predatory priests ?

Evidence, Tom, evidence, they have been protected and evidence hidden, this is why I say we have come to the point of zero tolerance. The biblical standard is it would be better that a mill stone be hung around their neck and they be cast into the sea. Apply the standard to all abusers, priests, teachers, etc, etc

[tomder55]

Oh I agree ,and I am a member of a laity organization that is demanding accountability . But there is a clear double standard here where the practice of protecting predator teachers is not getting the same attention that the abuses of priests have been given.
I am just concentrating on NYC . You think this doesn't happen all over the country ? People here yuck it up and joke about cases of female teachers seducing under-age students. It is a problem . But in no way does it reflect on the whole profession any more than the few cases of priest abuse reflect on the priesthood.

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

Why would you not believe it in cases of teachers ,but believe cops did nothing about predatory priests ?

I DON'T believe cops did nothing... I believe the hierarchy of the CHURCH did nothing.. Show me where a priest was exposed, and the cops did NOTHING...

Secondarily, clearly you ARE a Catholic... You make EXCUSES for them. Don't you realize that it's people like YOU who allow the criminals to continue to RAPE children?

Excon

[tomder55]

I'm making NO excuses for them .see my 1st sentence above. I'm all for accountablity . What I'm not for is the broad brush painting you are doing ;and using that as a pretext for violating their consitututional rights.

[talaniman]

I think it's a sad state of affairs that equates unions having a process to handle complaints to what cardinals, priests, and bishops have been caught doing for decades. Then you holler about civil rights? Yeah victims have rights too, and when evidence in a civil hearing is passed to authorities we get charges, or dismissals.

Unlike a clergy deciding behind closed doors to handle their crimes internally. Mudding the waters with innuendo and silly comparisons is just not a cool way to say "everybody does it", so its okay.

[excon]

Hello again, Tom:

What I'm not for is the broad brush painting you are doing

Ordinarily, I'm NOT a broad brush painter.. I do NOT believe an organization is responsible for the crimes of its members...

UNLESS that organization has SHOWN me that it would rather COVER up the crimes instead of PROSECUTING them... And that's exactly what the Catholic church did, and is doing to this very day.

Excon

[smoothy]

Hello again, Tom:

Ordinarily, I'm NOT a broad brush painter.. I do NOT believe an organization is responsible for the crimes of its members....

UNLESS that organization has SHOWN me that it would rather COVER up the crimes instead of PROSECUTING them... And that's exactly what the Catholic church did, and is doing to this very day.

excon

Sounds exactly like the Democrat party to me...

[talaniman]

When you righties run out of facts and reasonable arguments you always come with name calling and rock throwing, and blame everyone else for starting crap.

[smoothy]

When you righties run out of facts and reasonable arguments you always come with name calling and rock throwing, and blame everyone else for starting crap.

Gee... talk about short memories...


Dems still have their Panties in a knot over Watergate where nobody died... and try to argue BenghaziGate despite ample evidence... and 4 people died... is a non-issue.

Dems did nothing but bash.. and defame Bush and everyone in his cabinet during the campaigns AND his two terms... right up to fabricating evidence to blame on him... AKA RatherGate where CBS tossed Dan Rather under the bus to deflect their own part in the event.

[excon]

Hello again, smoothy:

Hold on, podner.. I can see smoke coming out your ears.

excon

[speechlesstx]

When you righties run out of facts and reasonable arguments you always come with name calling and rock throwing, and blame everyone else for starting crap.

Like Menendez?

At a Black History Month event held at a Trenton, N.J. church on Sunday, Democratic Senator Bob Menendez blamed conservatives for his ethics scandals, framing them as a racial attack on him because of his Hispanic heritage. “I have felt the sting of discrimination,” he told approximately 300 worshipers, according to the Bergen Record. ”It has never been easy.”

“Now we face anonymous, faceless, nameless individuals from right-wing sources seeking to destroy a lifetime of work,” Menendez said at Shiloh Baptist Church.

“And their smears are false. I have worked too hard and too long in the vineyards, too long with my hands, for the harvest to be soured.”

Read more: Bob Menendez plays race card, blames conservatives for scandals | The Daily Caller

Damn those racist conservatives for flying him to the Dominican Republic with donor cash and forcing those 16 year old prostitutes on him.