[paraclete]

Stop talking out of your hat, if there is one thing that is extremely difficult to change it is our constitution, it has only been changed on rare occasions. We have rights, the same rights you had when you defeated King George. What will be swept away is anyone who gets above themselves and sometimes we don't have to wait for an election for that to happen, in fact, I think I see it happening now, another night of the long knives approaches

[smoothy]

Stop talking out of your hat, if there is one thing that is extremely difficult to change it is our constitution, it has only been changed on rare occasions. We have rights, the same rights you had when you defeated King George. What will be swept away is anyone who gets above themselves and sometimes we don't have to wait for an election for that to happen, in fact, I think I see it happening now, another night of the long knives approaches

Yeah... time for another revision of the week... how much is left of what you had 10 years ago... much less since your independence? Apparently nothing is sacrosanct in your constitution. Based on your own statements.

That's were we differ greatly... most of ours IS sacrosanct. Or at least so difficult to change... it takes a long time AND a huge effort along with massive support among the voters.

[paraclete]

What part of difficult to alter don't you understand, that makes all of it's clauses sacrosanct. You are off in la la land, revision of the week?

The only Constitutional debate at the moment is whether to include recognition of first peoples or original inhabitants who aren't recognised as a separate people in the constitution. Some time in the future we may revisit the republic debate

The only changes to our rights in recent times are the same sort of changes you suffered after 9/11 and they weren't constitutional changes because our parliament has the power to make laws pertaining to criminal acts

[talaniman]

The constitution was not written to be worshiped, it a guide to building a more perfect. Like our nation its an ongoing works in process despite right wing disbelief that it gets better, or the lack of willingness to move forward, not back.

Thank god their numbers are dwindling so the collective noise they make is and will be less deafening. Leave 'em alone and they will eat their own.

[paraclete]

I have to disagree that your Constitution is like old wine, it gets better with age or that it is improving. What I find amazing is after this long you have to constantly refer to it. We have learn't the rules and we rarely refer to it. That won't always be so here but there has been no serious attempt to alter it in ten, maybe, twenty years.You see we have to get a majority of voters and a majority of states, something like your electoral college, it is very difficult to do

[talaniman]

That's what happens when a bunch of immigrants from many cultures are thrown together Clete, there are frictions and conflicts to be resolved. The once dominant immigrants are no longer at the top of the food chain assimilating the lesser ones. The constitution is all they have to hold onto besides their guns and the rich.

But the constitutions says that slave and master are equals but master still doesn't want to share. Because then he must submit to assimilation himself. That will take a while.

[paraclete]

Do you really think that is the problem, we have as many cultures and peoples and no reason to retreat into our constitutional fortress, in another hundred years it may be different