[talaniman]

You know what's sad? That some people are more concerned with making sure corporations are allowed to anonymously throw heaps of money at the politicans while this goes on daily in your country: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/medica...us-653584.html

Just a a random thought. I know I'll get assaulted here for voicing it.

My thoughts exactly, it's a damn shame. There I said it. Priorities are screwed up, I said that too!

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In a fair and balanced way, HELL YES!!!! Just common sense to me, either all of us contribute to the welfare of all of us, thru circulation of economics and social opportunity, or many will fail, and so will this nation.

The left thinks a bunch of rich Democrats taking from Republicans is fair. I call it theft.

[speechlesstx]

My thoughts exactly, its a damn shame. There I said it. priorities are screwed up, I said that too!

No Tal it's a difference in practice. I'll help someone in need personally, I won't wait for the government to confiscate someone else's money to do so. Twenty bucks out of my pocket will buy a lot more groceries than a wheelbarrow full of hopenchange.

[talaniman]

LOL, you are free to give your 20 bucks to whomever you want, but its theft also when Rich republicans steal from poor democrats. Even worse when they steal from poor republicans, and conservatives. Have they no shame Speech?

Mitt Romney Budget Promises Leave Tough Cuts To Social Programs, Domestic Agencies

We all know his cuts, like fellow repub Paul Ryan, are all programs that poor people, kids, and the elderly need and enslave the young to sweat shops, and service to the rich. 20 bucks doesn't cure cancer either, or build schools and roads. All these things YOU oppose, by supporting repubs.

[NeedKarma]

The left thinks a bunch of rich Democrats taking from Republicans is fair.

Thank goodness the left doesn't think that so it's not much of an argument.

[speechlesstx]

Thank goodness the left doesn't think that so it's not much of an argument.

Ah, so all this "fair share" crap is just that. Thanks for agreeing with me.

[talaniman]

Thank goodness the left doesn't think that so it's not much of an argument.

What do you expect from a party that supports a rich guy who has said that he will get richer by making everyone poorer. Sweat shop jobs are JOBS they created aren't they?

[NeedKarma]

Ah, so all this "fair share" crap is just that.

Where does the "fair share" stuff say it's rich democrats taking from republicans?

[speechlesstx]

LOL, you are free to give your 20 bucks to whomever you want, but its theft also when Rich republicans steal from poor democrats. Even worse when they steal from poor republicans, and conservatives. Have they no shame Speech?.

Naturally, you missed the point entirely. I don't know a conservative one who wants to take government assistance away from those who need it, arguing otherwise is a straw man.

On the other hand, we can't pay for what you're giving away already. You think a few billion from the "Buffet Rule" is going to cover that? You guys on the left need to go back to the old math where you knew $46.7 billion wouldn't cover a trillion dollars in entitlements.

Add the fact that the left wants to remove the church from its historical benevolence role and that twenty bucks the government now has isn't going to be worth a warm bucket of spit, just like all that hopenchange.

[NeedKarma]

Add in the fact that the left wants to remove the church from its historical benevolence role

Well that's a big lie.

[talaniman]

You are making this stuff up, must be the coffee. Read my link, Romney wants to cut assistance from the poor, and needy, and put it in his swiss account. Don't ignore the facts, face them. Need a link to the Ryan budget? He says the same thing, and it was passed already in the TEA PARTY controlled house.

They would have taken your 20 bucks before you could give it to a poor guy for sure, do the math yourself and lets see the results.

[speechlesstx]

Well that's a big lie.

Excuse me? I have already documented the changes the contraceptive mandate makes in redefining what qualifies as "religious" numerous times, which will result in the church being forced to abandon its health care, education and other ministries that existed long before the federal government got involved - or violate their beliefs.

A religious employer is one that: (1) has the inculcation of religious values as its purpose; (2) primarily employs persons who share its religious tenets; (3) primarily serves persons who share its religious tenets;

[speechlesstx]

You are making this stuff up, must be the coffee. Read my link, Romney wants to cut assistance from the poor, and needy, and put it in his swiss account. Don't ignore the facts, face them. Need a link to the Ryan budget? He says the same thing, and it was passed already in the TEA PARTY controlled house.

They would have taken your 20 bucks before you could give it to a poor guy for sure, do the math yourself and lets see the results.

You need to be more specific, what precisely did I make up? By the way, did you forget that Obamacare cuts $500 billion from Medicare starting next year? That's OK, he's going to try and fake seniors out, but the GAO is onto his scheme.

Again, my twenty bucks will go a lot farther than a wheelbarrow full of hopenchange.

[NeedKarma]

... which will result in the church being forced to abandon its health care, education and other ministries that existed long before the federal government got involved...

Nope, not even close. How many have closed shop so far?

[speechlesstx]

New laws requiring adoption agencies to adopt to same sex couples has led to the church closing adoption agencies in 3 states so far, Massachusetts, Illinois, and California. The Catholic church has already warned that if the mandate stands, "she must “give up” her health care institutions, her universities and many of her social service organizations." That's going to be a void the federal government is not going to be able to fill.

Surely by now you should know I rarely speak without the facts on my side.

[NeedKarma]

Let me know when hospitals close their doors.

[talaniman]

You need to be more specific, what precisely did I make up? By the way, did you forget that Obamacare cuts $500 billion from Medicare starting next year? That's OK, he's going to try and fake seniors out, but the GAO is onto his scheme.

Again, my twenty bucks will go a lot farther than a wheelbarrow full of hopenchange.

The nonpartisan Government Accountability Office said it's not clear that the $8.3 billion Medicare Advantage bonus program will improve quality because most of the money is going to plans just rated average. The auditors did find, however, that the bonuses would temporarily ease the pain of unpopular cuts to insurance plans under President Barack Obama's health care overhaul law.

Ahead of presidential and congressional elections in which seniors are a key group of swing voters, the administration has been working hard to portray itself as a good steward of Medicare, by cracking down on waste and fraud, improving benefits, and keeping costs under control. The GAO report could become a blemish on its record.

Lets look deeper into this one, and I can speak with confidence since my 83 year old mother has been under this part D scam for a while. It carrys a yearly limit, DONUT HOLE its called where seniors have to pay full price when they reach that limit for drugs. The ACA, eliminates the do nut hole and reduces the cost of drugs 50 percent, after next year, 25% this year, but the drug companies raised prices 100%. HMM!

You do know that this "popular" medicare advantage plan is an extra insurance that seniors pay for to fill the do nut hole don't you? Well it didn't, so be careful who you listen to on this one. Smart seniors shop off shore for cheaper drugs, but GAO never mentions that fact.

Are two insurance policies logical to you? Me either.

[speechlesstx]

Let me know when hospitals close their doors.

You'll know.

[speechlesstx]

Lets look deeper into this one, and I can speak with confidence since my 83 year old mother has been under this part D scam for a while. It carrys a yearly limit, DONUT HOLE its called where seniors have to pay full price when they reach that limit for drugs. The ACA, eliminates the do nut hole and reduces the cost of drugs 50 percent, after next year, 25% this year, but the drug companies raised prices 100%. HMM!!

You do know that this "popular" medicare advantage plan is an extra insurance that seniors pay for to fill the do nut hole don't you? Well it didn't, so be careful who you listen to on this one. Smart seniors shop off shore for cheaper drugs, but GAO never mentions that fact.

Are two insurance policies logical to you? Me either.

I get it, Obama is trying to scam seniors why exactly?

[talaniman]

I seriously doubt the catholic hospitals will give up the revenue that supports their ministries for anything the government does. The states have already imposed limits and exemptions on the churches, so this is another straw argument.

Like catholics are the only game in town, and they are too big to fail. Your facts are suspect, please send links of verification, besides one guys opinion.