[asking]

So far I haven't seen anyone saying that pornography is itself bad or wrong. Unky posted a link about workers misusing government computers. Asking and Alty talk about nicotine and alcohol and raping children. Serious Student explains his impulse control issues.

Catsmine, I feel misrepresented by this statement. Just for the record, I did not use the phrase "raping children." And I barely mentioned child abuse. But I have talked about the denigration of women, which occurs in pornography. You didn't mention that I said that but that is my main objection to it. I feel that to characterize some men's rape fantasies, as well as milder forms of humiliation, as merely normal erotic sex is misleading.

Erotic is one thing. Pornography is rarely merely erotic.

Unky, this might be of interest to you.
BOLD - Violence Against Women on the Internet -

[Alty]

Cats, I want to state that my comments in the beginning were about porn and my thoughts on the subject.

As most conversations go one thing leads to another, talking about rape fantasies etc.

It's all connected, sadly.

But, since I've obviously gone off track, I will leave the debate.

Good luck Unky, I hope you got what you were looking for. :)

[asking]

For example:

In Maxwell and Check's 1992 study of 247 high school students described above, they found very high rates of what they called "rape supportive beliefs", that is, acceptance of rape myths and violence against women.

The boys who were the most frequent consumers of pornography and/or who reported learning a lot from it, were more accepting of rape supportive beliefs than their peers who were less frequent consumers and/or who said they had not learned as much from it.

I don't see how anyone could argue that reducing men's inhibitions to rape is a good thing.

Also, according the Department of Justice, although rape rates declined dramatically between 1980 and 2002, they have been rising again since 2002.

Bureau of Justice Statistics Rape Trends

[Unknown008]

I'm actually typing a post in a different window, but email notification after email notification is telling me to see xxx thread. I'll be answering soon, OK? :)

Yes, thanks for the input everyone, I really appreciate :) I hope that this will go on like this, or who knows, perhaps better?

[Unknown008]

Cats:

The article was about misconduct among governmental workers, who happen to be also watching porn on their working computers. I'll be using this as one of the consequences of porn

I have scribbles here and there. By next week, I'll be having all well planned and reviewed. Any more sources that might help me is most welcomed! :)

Cat:

Yes, I know that teens (female) were married early and it still is happening in India. Since 3/4 of the mauritian population consists of indians, I can say I quite know their culture. Also, when we have teenage pregnancy, the body of the teen is not yet prepared to bring the baby. The skin, the tissues of the womb are not 'elastic' enough to endure it (if I remember my biology class well). In some countries, it is some sort of humiliation. Sometimes, the parents put pressure on the teen to abort, and that is the thing that would definitely not be much beneficial to the teen.

Asking: I just had a glance at the sites, they seem very interesting indeed. Now I have to read them all! Thanks! :)

Alty: Yes, they are linked, one to the other, one chained to the other. :(

[Catsmine]

Alty, Asking, I did not mean to give offense, nor to misrepresent anyone's position, merely to highlight certain points.

My point was that pornography is blamed for many problems, like guns being blamed for violence. That's as silly as blaming Burpee for spots on your homegrown tomatoes.

Asking, that is the exact sort of evidence that was needed. A direct causal link between pornography and harm. Very, very good.

Alty, don't leave. There's still more to come and your input is invaluable.

As for denigrating women, Western society treads a very narrow ridge right in the middle of that one. We don't bind feet or insist on bhurkas, nor do we sell our daughters and orphans into prostitution, as a norm. Those things are denigrating. I do not think looking at and enjoying the beauty of the female form is, despite the views of Betty Freidan and the N.O.W.

[JudyKayTee]

[QUOTESerious Student
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Do I get points for my spidey senses tingling? I KNEW it!

At any rate - my concern with pornography (and in this instance it is unfortunate that this post had to be pulled as Evildeeds/SeriousStudent made an argument that he "had" to use porn in order to masturbate in order to relieve tension) is the addictive nature, more so from the point of needing to see more and more in order to be "intrigued."

I have no problem with porn if the adults participating and watching are consentual. I think everyone feels the same.

I question whether the addiction "requires" more and more (or, for example, for people who like to watch rough sex, rougher and rougher sex as time goes on).

I don't really know.

[Serious Student]

There is nothing specifically wrong with your name, but it tends to give the image of someone not very serious. It also conjures up an image of someone who wants to be disruptive. Wouldn't you feel different about a questioner with a name like Serious Student, than Evil dead?

What 'spider-sense'? Lol. It should have been obvious it was me.

Make no mistake, I am a troll at heart, but I came here to contribute. Occasionally I might post something with an underlying trollish tone, but I always try and contribute when I post.

I don't want any arguments please. Now put back my previous, I think it was pretty lol but truthful.

Personally, I believe porn is degrading in reference to women. Have you ever seen a bukkake scene? It's really disgusting I always get turned off.

What is frightening however, this kind of aggression sex seems to 'hit the spot'. When you blow your load after watching an anal scene you know that it DID appeal to you somewhat. What I don't know is whether this an underlying psychological problem with people who end up watching porn regularly to relieve tension like I do.

I would love not to watch porn, but if I try and use my imagination it seems like a wasted effort when I blow my load. However when I do watch it, I'm ashamed but satisfied. I don't want to go through life like this until I have it for real.

Why is this happening to us?

[excon]

Hello:

The idea that there even IS a gateway to anti social behavior, or that it can be identified, is preposterous. I reject the notion it on its face.

excon

[JudyKayTee]

you can TRY to make it sound innocent all you want

I understand watching porno can be very helpful if a man is having difficulty obtaining or maintaining an erection. https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/adult-...ml#post2065712

[asking]

Apparently, the evidence is all there that watching pornography predisposes males --those most likely to watch it-- to imitate what they see and reduces inhibitions to rape and other aggressive behavior. This is particularly true in young males.

Here's another sample.

In a more recent anonymous survey of 247 Canadian junior high school students whose average age was 14 years, James Check and Kristin Maxwell (1992) report that 87% of the boys and 61% of the girls said they had viewed video-pornography. The average age at first exposure was just under 12 years.


33% of the boys versus only 2% of the girls reported watching pornography once a month or more often. As well, 29% of the boys versus 1% of the girls reported that pornography was the source that had provided them with the most useful information about sex (i.e. more than parents, school, friends, etc.). Finally, boys who were frequent consumers of pornography and/or reported learning a lot from pornography were also more likely to say that is was "OK" to hold a girl down and force her to have intercourse (abstract).

BOLD - Violence Against Women on the Internet -

I think it is interesting that approximately a third of these boys got most of their information about sex by watching pornography, because another study showed that about one-third of male college students felt that it was sometimes okay to use force to get sex. That is, they were accepting of the idea of rape if they could justify it in their minds, which apparently they could.

[asking]

And this:

"over 50% of various categories of paraphiliacs [sex offenders] had developed their deviant arousal patterns prior to age 18" (Einsiedel, 1986, p. 53). Einsiedel goes on to say that "it is clear that the age-of-first-exposure variable and the nature of that exposure needs to be examined more carefully. There is also evidence that the longer the duration of the paraphilia, the more significant the association with use of pornography"

My italics.

If in 1992 a third of 14-year-old boys were regular consumers of pornography, I wonder what the numbers are now?

[Unknown008]

Hmm, many thanks Asking! :) You're truly valuable here. I haven't read everything in the previous link you posted, yet. I go through them thoroughly tonight.

[asking]

I can do this all day, but I shouldn't.

I have expanded abbreviations to make this more readable.

Victim reactions in aggressive erotic films as a factor in violence against women.
By Donnerstein, Edward; Berkowitz, Leonard
Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. Vol 41(4), Oct 1981, 710-724.

Abstract
Investigated whether the behavioral characteristics of the people in erotic films and the nature of the targets available for aggression afterward can affect subsequent aggression. In Experiment I, 80 male undergraduates were angered by a male or female confederate. They were then shown a neutral film or 1 of 3 erotic films. The erotic films differed in terms of their aggressive content (2 were aggressive and 1 was not) and the reactions of the female victim in the 2 aggressive films (positive vs negative). Subjects were then allowed to aggress against the confederate via electric shock. Results indicated that films had no effect on male targets, whereas both types of aggressive erotic films increased aggression toward the females.

In Experiment II, with 80 male subjects, the effects of the above films on nonangry viewers were investigated with only female confederates. Results indicate [again] that angered subjects were more aggressive toward the female after viewing either aggressive erotic film but that only the positive-outcome aggressive film increased aggression in nonangered subjects. The theoretical and applied aspects of aggressive and nonaggressive erotica are discussed. (40 ref) (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2009 APA, all rights reserved)

http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=...TOKEN=47514459

[Unknown008]

Sorry, Asking I have a little difficulty to understand the second experiment's conclusion here.

Which one is supposed to be the positive-outcome aggressive film? :confused:

[asking]

There were two kinds of erotic films with aggressive content. In "positive outcome" films, the woman basically liked being attacked or reacted positively. In the other, the woman resisted or cried or fought back. (Hard to say from this abstract. But basically the woman reacted negatively and that was a negative outcome.)

So (in Experiment I) if you show a mock rape to angry men, they will punish the woman they are mad at more than if you don't show them the mock rape. (If they are mad at a man, they will not punish HIM more after viewing a mock rape.)

In Experiment II, if you show a mock rape to non angry men, even they will punish a woman more--IF they viewed a mock rape where the woman responds positively (but NOT if she responds negatively to being assaulted).

So, to simplify, men viewing pornographic rape fantasies increases male aggression towards women. In men who are already angry with a woman, it doesn't matter how the woman in the film reacts. In men who are not angry with a woman, the mock aggression increases real aggression if the woman in the film responds positively to being assaulted but not if she reacts negatively.

In addition, other studies report that boys and men do try out what they watch.

Edit: Actually, I have no idea what the aggressive content here consisted of. I'm assuming some kind of mock rape. But it could be something milder for all I know.

[Unknown008]

Ah, that clears up the thing. I wonder whether a million thanks would ever be enough ;)

[asking]

You are welcome!

I'm surprised that all these studies are rather old. I haven't been able to find anything recent. Did psychologists lose interest when it became so clear? Or did funding dry up for some reason? Or maybe they are using new jargon that I haven't been searching on.

The quality of the research with controls and such is better than I expected. I find it really persuasive myself...

[JudyKayTee]

Asking - this is really GREAT research.

My hat is off to you!

[asking]

Judy,
Ahh. I'm blushing! Thanks!
Asking