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Cassie · Jul 20, 2006, 10:46 PM

I am so glad to hear they are having classes in school. I believe we have got to get a grip on this generation.

CaptainForest · Jul 20, 2006, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Cassie

I think in order for a woman to sell herself as a prostitute, she has to have some issues of low to no self esteem. She does not value herself as a person, will allow herself to be used and abused. She has had to get this feeling while growing up. She was either unloved, abused, or even taught by her mother to sell her body. At any rate she has no respect for herself.

There is the male who has no respect for a woman and will look for a hooker for his needs. He was not taught to respect a woman.

WOW.

I totally and completely disagree with you.

If a woman needs some money, why not have sex? It is big business, and people are willing to pay for it.

Granted, there are some dangers to it, but if you are short on cash, the money is good.

If I was a woman and strapped for cash, I might consider doing it.

I guess it is all about how you view sex. Is sex something special only between a man and a wife, or between anyone: friends, dating couples, prostitutes, etc.

And I disagree that any male who uses a prostitute doesn't respect women.

If a guy is horny, sex is just that…sex.

Again, I believe it goes back to how one views sex.

I respect women, yet I wouldn't be opposed to hiring a prostitute. (Although I haven't ever had used one….but in 50 years from now, who knows?)

I don't think having sex demeans anyone…

Just me 2 cents…

talaniman · Jul 21, 2006, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by CaptainForest

WOW.

I totally and completely disagree with you.

If a woman needs some money, why not have sex? It is big business, and people are willing to pay for it.

Granted, there are some dangers to it, but if you are short on cash, the money is good.

If I was a woman and strapped for cash, I might consider doing it.

I guess it is all about how you view sex. Is sex something special only between a man and a wife, or between anyone: friends, dating couples, prostitutes, etc.

And I disagree that any male who uses a prostitute doesn’t respect women.

If a guy is horny, sex is just that…sex.

Again, I believe it goes back to how one views sex.

I respect women, yet I wouldn’t be opposed to hiring a prostitute. (Although I haven’t ever had used one….but in 50 years from now, who knows?)

I don’t think having sex demeans anyone…

Just me 2 cents…

I would agree when the choice is made freely, but between abuse and drugs I hardly think you could call it free choice more like a desperate act of hopeless survival and that's what changes it from a victimless crime to a tragedy. When all your efforts are to lie cheat and steal to feed a habit, that's demeaning. Why should we as men care what hookers go through since all we want is to trade a few bucks to get our rocks off and adios, no harm no foul. Next!

phillysteakandcheese · Jul 21, 2006, 11:56 AM

There are definitely "low end" and "high end" women working as prostitutes.

Once again... drawing back on experiences from my youth... I can tell you that there are plenty of women who willingly choose the work simply because the money is excellent. They have standards as to who they accept as clients, have limits on what they are willing to do, and are otherwise very "normal" - with the exception of their "exotic" job.

That kind of business like approach is a complete turn around from the desperation we have focused on.

Cassie · Jul 21, 2006, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by CaptainForest

WOW.

I totally and completely disagree with you.

If a woman needs some money, why not have sex? It is big business, and people are willing to pay for it.

Granted, there are some dangers to it, but if you are short on cash, the money is good.

If I was a woman and strapped for cash, I might consider doing it.

I guess it is all about how you view sex. Is sex something special only between a man and a wife, or between anyone: friends, dating couples, prostitutes, etc.

And I disagree that any male who uses a prostitute doesn't respect women.

If a guy is horny, sex is just that…sex.

Again, I believe it goes back to how one views sex.

I respect women, yet I wouldn't be opposed to hiring a prostitute. (Although I haven't ever had used one….but in 50 years from now, who knows?)

I don't think having sex demeans anyone…

Just me 2 cents…

You have a right to disagree. My points are valid for a lot of prostitues, and the men looking for one. I guess it came across as ALL prostitues and all men looking for one have issues. I did not mean it that way. I know people that sex means nothing to them. Everyone has different views and morals. Thanks for your input.
In my life, sex has always meant something, therefore I have a completely different view of it.

CaptainForest · Jul 21, 2006, 02:37 PM

Good point. With prostitution and drugs is one thing, but when women make conscious choices is another?Çª

CaptainForest · Jul 21, 2006, 02:38 PM

Yes, people do view sex differently. Thanks for clarifying!

CaptainForest · Jul 21, 2006, 02:44 PM

Good points

talaniman · Jul 23, 2006, 06:54 AM

In thinking about this post a little more I've come to the conclusion that no matter what laws or morality say their will be those that will choose to do whatever they want regardless of what is appropriate or not. We all make our own choices and have to live with the consequences of that choice. TRUE, some can be helped and we should want to give help to those that want it. Those that do not, so be it, their choice not mine. In the end as caring humans we can only do the best we can with what we have, so where as I can have compassion for others misfortune I am not responsible for the choices people make. That is up to them as individuals what they want to do with their lives, as well it should be.

Jay_Jay · Jul 23, 2006, 07:06 AM

Very good point ! Some people will always want to be outside the BOX

Jay_Jay · Jul 23, 2006, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

In thinking about this post a little more I've come to the conclusion that no matter what laws or morality say their will be those that will choose to do whatever they want regardless of what is appropriate or not.

Very good point Talaniman ! Some people will always want to be outside the BOX regardless of the effects.

Cassie · Jul 23, 2006, 07:26 AM

Your thoughts are right on

wizzkid89 · Jul 23, 2006, 01:07 PM

I agree with you talaniman, I do everyword you said, and that's why I am convinced that like the problems with drugs and what not, the only solution that would yield the most productive results would be education and rehabilitation. Because like you said, there will be people who live to go against the grain, they want to be unlike everyone else and will pursue certain interests to make that happen, so whether it is legal or illegal those people will exist and those you cannot help.

Cassie · Jul 24, 2006, 07:00 AM

I agree with both of you talaniman and whizz kid. There will always be those that feel there is nothing wrong with an addiction and do not want help. There will always be those who feel sex means nothing. The female may as well sell it to make a living and the male who feels that way will pay. I do not know that it is so much as to go against the grain. I think they feel it is their life and sex has no meaning to them. In my thoughts there is something missing in the lives of people that feel that way, but it is free love to them. (well actually, paid love). Someone I worked with left her husband because he visited the "houses" and she found out. He could not understand why she was upset, he said it meant nothing to him. It meant everything to her. So there you have it.

talaniman · Jul 24, 2006, 07:10 AM

Your right free will for all

valinors_sorrow · Jul 24, 2006, 07:41 AM

At the risk of sounding judegemental which is really not my intention as I have no leg to stand on for that here -- there are some things I don't think a human can do without having been previosuly "damaged" in some way. And this may be one of them. I don't think that meaningless sex is just a difference in value systems. I think the majority of reseach in the field has determined that sex is very much meant to be an extension of our affection (that's the psychology of it) and a means to procreate (that's the biology of it) both. Granted there is a big range out there for all of us to fall on one side or the other BUT for it to be reduced to just an appetitual thing is by no means the norm for humans (although men will more frequently claim this than women in my culture).

From what I saw in all kinds of women who sold sex, mostly its affected by something else, something that is getting in the way of intimacy, sexual or otherwise. The image of the "Pretty Woman" is pretty much Hollywood fanatasy. And I would bet those shrewed business women/call girls mentioned here would not hold up under closer scrutiny as being as balanced as they appear.

This is not just another means of making money since it comes with some other fairly "heavy" stuff, like it or not -- risk of the law, risk of societal condemnation, risk of disease despite how careful you are, risk of being ripped off, risk of abuse and violence, even risk of self loathing in that you could wake up one day in immense regret, all this even in the best of circles. So it behooves to ask why would any woman risk all that. I think you'll find it's a complicated answer at best.

I know I am running dangerously close to soundling like I suggesting that lack of morals is an illness of some sort and that isn't what I am implying. But people do damage far easier than we realise and that has its effect, some of which I can directly attribute to feeding prostitution, high society or low.

Cassie · Jul 24, 2006, 09:19 AM

I totally agree with you Val

Cassie · Jul 24, 2006, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by valinors_sorrow

At the risk of sounding judegemental which is really not my intention as I have no leg to stand on for that here -- there are some things I don't think a human can do without having been previosuly "damaged" in some way. And this may be one of them. I don't think that meaningless sex is just a difference in value systems. I think the majority of reseach in the field has determined that sex is very much meant to be an extension of our affection (that's the psychology of it) and a means to procreate (that's the biology of it) both. Granted there is a big range out there for all of us to fall on one side or the other BUT for it to be reduced to just an appetitual thing is by no means the norm for humans (although men will more frequently claim this than women in my culture).

From what I saw in all kinds of women who sold sex, mostly its the effect of something else getting in the way of intimacy, sexual or otherwise. The image of the "Pretty Woman" is pretty much Hollywood fanatasy. And I would bet those shrewed business women/call girls mentioned here would not hold up under closer scrutiny as being as balanced as they appear.

This is not just another means of making money since it comes with some other stuff, like it or not -- risk of the law, risk of moral condemnation, risk of disease dispite how careful you are, risk of abuse and violence, even risk of self approval in that you could wake up one day in immense regret, even in the best of circles. So it behooves to ask why would any woman risk all that. I think you'll find its a complicated answer at best.

I know I am running dangerously close to soundling like I suggesting that lack of morals is an illness of some sort and that isn't what I am implying. But people do damage far easier than we realise and that has its effect, some of which I can directly attribute to feeding prostitution, high society or low.

I agree with you Val, but read Captain Forest answer to my post. There are those that think it is morally right for them.

valinors_sorrow · Jul 24, 2006, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Cassie

I agree with you Val, but read Captain Forest answer to my post. There are those that think it is morally right for them.

I did Cassie and what I just posted was as much in response to some of what he posted as it was others-- just so's you know! ;)

At the risk of going very off topic here, sex with no meaning is really another form of masturbation and one would wonder why the need to have someone else do that for you and pay for it too when you can so easily do that yourself? Its not just out of boredom, trust me. I think I saw a lot more going on there than that... is all I am saying.

phillysteakandcheese · Jul 24, 2006, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by valinors_sorrow

... sex with no meaning is really another form of masterbation and one would wonder why the need to have someone else do that for you and pay for it too when you can so easily do that yourself?

A person who view's sex as sport or as a fantasy of their own mind would probably say that the ability to drown in their own self-indulgence with a prostitute makes it worthwhile. No need to worry about pleasing a partner - and the variety coupled with the danger makes it even more exciting.

I think most men - myself included - have a certain duality: We want meaningful sexual relationships that share ourselves with the woman that we love, but we also want the nasty, dirty, quick, meaningless sex that any willing woman can fulfill.

When you are in a committed relationship - you try to have both roles fulfilled by your partner.

Someone that has no relationship, or one where they care more about themselves and "their needs" over their partner's feelings, you have a person that strays off to the "willing woman" - prostitute or otherwise.