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Credendovidis · Oct 26, 2008, 05:03 AM

Originally Posted by sassyT

I know God exists and unless you can prove otherwise, your disputing my knowledge is nothing but hot air, subjective opinionated babble.

SassyT : you still seem unable to understand that I do not have to prove anything. I do not claim anything.
I do not claim that "God" exists.
I do not claim that "God" does not exist.
You claim you "know" that "God" exists, but every time you are asked to prove that in any way you fail to do so.

To know in this respect and in this context means that you have proof.
I ask you to detail your supporting source for that "proof".
Anyone who would have such "proof" would be glad to do so.
I note that you however fail to provide that "proof".
Remains the strong possibility that you don't have any "proof", and that you only have a lot of hot air, subjective opinionated babble...

Why don't you prove me wrong ?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Sassysback · Dec 4, 2008, 06:53 AM

Yes, this is SassyT, I have been gone so long I forgot my password. Oh well, I am BACK and I am still more certain that ever that I know God exists. :D

Sassysback · Dec 4, 2008, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

SassyT : you still seem unable to understand that I do not have to prove anything. I do not claim anything.

Are you sure about that Cred?

I do not claim that "God" exists.
I do not claim that "God" does not exist.

But you DO claim I don't know God exists. You are yet to prove that claim.

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Tj3 · Dec 4, 2008, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by Credendovidis

SassyT : you still seem unable to understand that I do not have to prove anything. I do not claim anything.
I do not claim that "God" exists.
I do not claim that "God" does not exist.
You claim you "know" that "God" exists, but everytime you are asked to prove that in any way you fail to do so.

To know in this respect and in this context means that you have proof.
I ask you to detail your supporting source for that "proof".
Anyone who would have such "proof" would be glad to do so.

Cred,

This argument is so stale. I have seen a number of people on different boards give you proof. We recently had a thread of over 500 posts here discussing the proof, buit no matter what is presented, you refuse to accept it because you refuse to believe anything that shows that there is in fact a God.

Sassysback · Dec 4, 2008, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Tj3

Cred,

This argument is so stale. I have seen a number of people on different boards give you proof. We recently had a thread of over 500 posts here discussing the proof, buit no matter what is presented, you refuse to accept it because yopu refuse to believe anything that shows that there is in fact a God.

He is just in denail. Like Richard Dawkins

Galveston1 · Dec 12, 2008, 05:26 PM

The argument by Cred et al seems to go kind of like this.

We can't see, smell, touch, taste, feel or hear God with our physical senses, ergo, God does not exist.

The same argument could be made for Cred's brain. (Don't go ballistic here)

I cannot see, smell, touch, taste, feel or hear your brain, ergo, it doesn't exist.

Sure, you post things, but how do I know where that comes from?

Where is your OSE for your brain? YOU KNOW it's there, but how do I know it?

I suppose at some future date an autopsy might prove the existence of your brain.

At some future date we may all come face to face with God, too.

This is not a personal attack. Just an attack on your reasoning.

michealb · Dec 13, 2008, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Galveston1

We can't see, smell, touch, taste, feel or hear God with our physical senses, ergo, God does not exist.
The same argument could be made for Cred's brain. (Don't go ballistic here)
I cannot see, smell, touch, taste, feel or hear your brain, ergo, it doesn't exist.

We could MRI Cred's head or we could open up his head and look in side and see his brain if you really didn't believe it. So where is your test to prove god? Can we use an mri or look somewhere to see god no, ergo god doesn't exist by your own reasoning.

God is a faith without proof. The only ones who don't seem to understand that is the fanatics.

Tj3 · Dec 13, 2008, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by michealb

We could MRI Cred's head or we could open up his head and look in side and see his brain if you really didn't believe it. So where is your test to prove god? Can we use an mri or look somewhere to see god no, ergo god doesn't exist by your own reasoning.

God is a faith without proof. The only ones who don't seem to understand that is the fanatics.

Plenty of evidence has been offered on this board. Some folk just won't accept anything if they don't want to.

michealb · Dec 13, 2008, 12:04 PM

Actually all I've ever seen is you say there is plenty of evidence, I've never actually seen you offer any. Then you complain that we are ignoring the evidence.

God is a faith something you believe without evidence because you want to very few believers will say differently except for the few fanatics.

Tj3 · Dec 13, 2008, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by michealb

Actually all I've ever seen is you say there is plenty of evidence, I've never actually seen you offer any. Then you complain that we are ignoring the evidence.

Look at the thread about the evidence for God.

talaniman · Dec 13, 2008, 12:51 PM

I know God Exists. So why do people like Cred claim people like me dont KNOW we just Believe.

They don't know what you know, and since your lousy at explanations, and proof, they don't see where your thinking is from.

Does that change what you know?? NO! Does it matter? Not to me!

Tj3 · Dec 13, 2008, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

They don't know what you know, and since your lousy at explanations, and proof, they don't see where your thinking is from.

Does that change what you know??? NO! Does it matter?? Not to me!

Odd that those who are willing to consider the evidence think that what I posted is very clear. The only ones who think that it is isn't are those who rejected God before they looked at the evidence.

michealb · Dec 13, 2008, 01:05 PM

Yea, I read that one and as we said in that thread your evidence doesn't conform with basic logic that 99% of the population uses.

Basically your like the guy on the street corner who thinks gerbils are about to take over the world. Sure he really believes it and he has all sorts of evidence that he is 100% certain proves his point. He isn't lying because he really does believe what he says and desperately wants you to listen. However that doesn't change the fact that he doesn't use the same logic the rest of us use when looking at what he calls evidence. You are also similar in the fact that no amount of evidence to the contrary is going to convince you that are wrong. Same condition different theories.

You just happened to latch on to something more main stream. However this may not be entirely on you either people are lured into cults all the time. People who seemingly have free will make very bad choices. It can happen to almost anyone. I've even had family members who have been lured by cults, luckily we managed to get them all out and back to reason. I feel sorry that you haven't gotten the help you need to pull you back from the edge.

NeedKarma · Dec 13, 2008, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Tj3

Odd that those who are willing to consider the evidence think that what I posted is very clear. The only ones who think that it is isn't are those who rejected God before they looked at the evidence.

How nice of you to make assumptions about other people's viewpoints.

Tj3 · Dec 13, 2008, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by michealb

Yea, I read that one and as we said in that thread your evidence doesn't conform with basic logic that 99% of the population uses.

That is YOUR opinion, but it does conform with standard logic, and it does conform with scientific principles.

Tj3 · Dec 13, 2008, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

How nice of you to make assumptions about other people's viewpoints.

They posted their views a long time beforehand on other threads - no assumptions.

talaniman · Dec 13, 2008, 01:19 PM

My point was, I never have needed evidence to have a relationship with the God that I understand.

Tj3 · Dec 13, 2008, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

My point was, I never have needed evidence to have a relationship with the God that I understand.

Agreed. Your explanation was unclear.

michealb · Dec 13, 2008, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Tj3

That is YOUR opinion, but it does conform with standard logic, and it does conform with scientific principles.

Right it's is my opinion that does conform with standard logic and does conform with scientific principles. It's just you and the gerbil guy that don't.

Seriously you sound exactly like everyone else who is part of some cult. Speak with someone who was a part of a cult they will have the same standard answers you do and be just as sure of themselves.

Tj3 · Dec 13, 2008, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by michealb

Right it's is my opinion that does conform with standard logic and does conform with scientific principles. It's just you and the gerbil guy that don't.

Seriously you sound exactly like everyone else who is part of some cult. Speak with someone who was a part of a cult they will have the same standard answers you do and be just as sure of themselves.

You should spend more time studying the scientific method.