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Jan 12, 2006, 05:15 AM
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eBay
Another dok lee hikuta vhs video on sale on eBay, if anyone wants to buy one
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Feb 4, 2006, 03:25 PM
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Kuta is allegedly an egyptian martial art. I learned it in 1969-1970 from DokLee( not his real name). I am the oldest living practitioner still active. I know two other men who trained before me, but neither have done it in years.
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Feb 23, 2006, 10:26 PM
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Of course phil continues in ignorance listening to people who were not there. Who never saw the person in a wheelchair on the tonight show in the mid 1970s doing hikuta, and calling it that. Who never trained when I did, even before drbill trained and I trained from people other than dok lee.
But sad that so many in traditional martial arts have to spend so much time trying to disprove the facts. Got to wonder why they are so hung up on trying to disprove hikuta, I mean if it really did not work would they bother? Would they care? As I have said before if an enemy was in ignorance about a martial arts style that did not train people in anything would you tell your enemy? Would you correct the mistake? Are they trying to be so fair and kind that since they believe hikuta teaches nothing that they want everyone to know it? Or are they just trying to get more students paying them big bucks for years of constant income for them every month. Week after week? Hum I wonder? Do you wonder? I do not teach currently, but I have offered on occasion to help some lessor students in various arts, cannot seem to find anyone who will actually take me up on the offer though. Sadly I try not to teach the ungrateful. Phil's opinion can never change the facts, just himself.
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Feb 24, 2006, 04:10 AM
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It never happened and you know it never happened, or you'd provide a copy of the video.
You need serious mental help.
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Feb 24, 2006, 10:33 AM
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I do not work for the tonight show, or the network that it is on, or was on at that time if different. I did not own a vcr in the mid 70s, nor did I know in advance that a man in a wheelchair would be on with j carson that night. I had no way to film it, or did at that time or do now care to prove anything to anyone. If you cannot write a letter and ask the people who have the proof then you do not want to know. If I presented any video, someone would think it is fake. Better to let those who I do not know present the facts.
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Feb 24, 2006, 10:42 AM
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If it had ever really happened, somebody would be able to produce the footage, or verify with some sort of transcript that the episode had taken place. It didn't. It never did. You're either lying or, in your delusions, passing on things that you want to believe. Either way, you need help.
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Feb 24, 2006, 10:59 AM
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The problem is phil, that a fellow student mentioned to me, that the man was on the tonight show, after I saw the show. So I know at least one other person who saw it at the time. That student did not know I knew hikuta already, and offered to teach me what he and his dad had learned from dok lee, that was the week the man in the wheelchair was on the tonight show.
I let that student and his dad believe they were teaching me hikuta, but when dok lee showed up and told them not to teach anyone, or say that they were doks ever again, dok lee thinking I had only been learning hikuta for a very short time was not ready for me. He wanted to see what I knew of hikuta, and I defeated him. And he (thinking I had only been doing it a short time) said I and only I was worthy of the title of DOK.
You phil presume a lot when you in ignorance make the mistake of thinking something you did not see did not happen. Did you see sally fields get hit with a whipped cream pie, because she did on another episode of the tonight show, and then she repaid in kind. Did someone sign the declaration of independence you did not see it with your own eyes, so do you believe it happened? Do you believe in magnetism? You cannot see magnetic lines of force, but they do exist don't they? Science seems to think so. Can you see air? But your lungs might notice if there was not any, humm? Ah, what is the point, you have your mind made up, you won't listen. Good luck. Don't write.
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Feb 24, 2006, 11:06 AM
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No, you haven't seen it and a fellow student didn't mention it to you. It never happened. Until you can provide a transcript from the show or a clip of the video, you will never have any proof that it did. Your analogies are meaningless; your logic is deeply flawed. The fact is that Hikuta is a made-up martial art that was created in the early 1990s and has none of the historical credibility -- in ancient times or in contemporary media -- that Hikuta practitioners try to pretend it has. It worries me that there are people willing to embrace such an obvious sham. With luck, anyone reading this will see for themselves how obviously unstable you are and will understand your point of view for what it is -- a complete fantasy.
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Feb 24, 2006, 11:34 AM
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Yes, Phil, Mr. Woodall is quite entertaining. You missed the earlier fun when he had his picture up as his avatar. The image showed a man that spent much more time laying on a couch and eating fast food than a master of a martial art. I mean who would be more apt to believe - a guy who looks like Bruce Lee or someone who looks like Orsen Welles?
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Feb 24, 2006, 11:55 AM
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I guess it would depend on which one of them thought he was "the highest ranked martial artist in the world." I don't care if you have abs of steel and can chew through a car tire -- if you say things like that, you're nuttier than a Snickers.
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Feb 28, 2006, 06:02 AM
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No, you didn't. I don't believe you.
Let's say, however, for the sake of argument, that you are being absolutely honest when you say, "hikuta is a name he made up along with some of the other origins and other stories., such as "DOK" and all that crap." How or why should we trust anyone who was willing to deceive people in order to make his self-defense system more marketable? If Hikuta or kuta is as "real" as you would like us to think it is, he should have been able to teach it to others without lying.
No, Hikuta and Kuta are not real. They do not extend into the mists of prehistory. They do not even stretch back past the late 1980s, if that. Anyone honestly believing he or she is a Hikuta or Kuta practitioner is fooling himself.
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Feb 28, 2006, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by drbill212
Lee passed on the kuta flame to Al Abidin and he is trying to develop it in a professional manner. I am trying to help the best I can and so is Perry Blouin. I am pushing 60 and can't do what a young man can do, but there are VERY few old men like me that can do what I can do. I only train certain high-level Isshinryu karate black belts and a few special exceptions because i want to develop instuctors who have been in serious confrontations and can speak from a position of authority.
Hey Bill,
Great training at the Masters intro class.
That was one of the best trainings I've ever been to.
I was really impressed by how easily and powerfully you were able to hit multiple opponents in a group attack.
You say you're getting old... what were you like in your 30's?? WOW!
I'm seeing a fair amount of negative press around our art these days, that's a real shame, because it's keeping people from learning a very useful fighting art all due to some misunderstanding, bad blood and internet banter.
As you've said Lee was not someone very willing to share the secrets to his incredible speed and power. And, as you also know, if he trained someone they were pretty much in for a beating.
You have to admit it was extremely effective.
Myself I couldn't care less if he developed it in his back yard "everything has a beginning" and Kuta is no exception. But, I do care about how great it works.
I believe Al Abidin is holding a seminar in April he sometimes offers real sceptics a money back guarantee if they attend and can't see the value (which has never happened).
The old saying goes "you can lead a horse to water but... you can't make it drink"!
Just wanted to say great training and it was good to see you again.
Keep up the good work
ATB!
Perry
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Feb 28, 2006, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 10cats
I believe Al Abidin is holding a seminar in April he sometimes offers real sceptics a money back guarantee if they attend and can't see the value (which has never happened).
Hi,
Please post the date and location (a link would be nice) because I want to attend.
Thanks for the heads up!
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Feb 28, 2006, 10:43 AM
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Myself I couldn't care less if he developed it in his back yard "everything has a beginning" and Kuta is no exception.
That wouldn't matter to me, either. It worries me when someone does that and then lies about it, however.
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Feb 28, 2006, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Hi,
Please post the date and location (a link would be nice) because I want to attend.
Thanks for the heads up!
You can get more details about the seminar by contacting Al Abidin at: [email protected]
The Big Kuta Seminar, is on Friday, April 14 and Saturday April 15, 2006,
At John S. Todd Community Center at Mayfair Park at 5720 Clark Ave. Lakewood, California, USA.
Please contact Al by email I don't want to publish his phone number without first asking him but, if you email him and ask for a return call I'm sure he'll call.
You'll find him to be a very mild mannered gentleman
ATB!
Perry
PS: I recommend Drbill as a very good teacher (with over 35 years "full contact" competition and training experience) but he doesn't often train anyone less then 4th degree black belt anymore and he's considering moving that up to 6th degree as the entry point.
PPS: I might hold a seminar in Indianapolis, Indiana late spring or early summer (haven't decided) but it would be for a more experienced type of martial artist. The style or art you practice doesn't matter to me. I'm also in my 50's and want to art to pass on to people who are not going to let it die-off!
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Feb 28, 2006, 02:32 PM
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Limiting one's training to only those of a specific arbitrary rank in other styles doesn't make a lot of sense in the context of Hikuta training, does it? I mean, the system is marketed as being far and away better and different than other martial arts, much easier to learn and to apply. You can't have it both ways.
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Feb 28, 2006, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil Elmore
Limiting one's training to only those of a specific arbitrary rank in other styles doesn't make a lot of sense in the context of Hikuta training, does it? I mean, the system is marketed as being far and away better and different than other martial arts, much easier to learn and to apply. You can't have it both ways.
Phil,
You're right Kuta is an art that can be learned quite easily... but, still needs practice. And, Al Abdin teaches everyone from beginer to advanced.
My focus is more on teaching people that will carry on the art. In addition to adding to their personal self-defense system.
So, by training people that have students of their own they're more likley to pass it on and keep the art alive.
I do train beginners... but my focus is on keeping the art alive.
ATB!
Perry
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Feb 28, 2006, 07:18 PM
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What a terrible misdirection of one's energies.
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Mar 14, 2006, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Hi,
Please post the date and location (a link would be nice) because I want to attend.
Thanks for the heads up!
Update;
Al Abidin has move the seminar into may (due to the easter holiday) this should make it much easier to attend without juggling a holiday with your family.
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