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    #1161

    Aug 20, 2013, 03:40 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    of course they have an agenda. everyone must conform to their views or they are affronted. We are being forced, coerced, into accepting that which we oppose even though we are the majority.The world is tough and some people don't like gays by reason of their life style, I don't use a gay barber for example
    Be careful... they will sue you next.

    Personally... I have nothing against gay people in general.. I do have a problem with the ones that make a point of ramming anything (figuratively) down our throats. Or forcing us to do things we don't want. (whom I believe is a tiny minority of them)

    And its really not even just them... its the Illegal immigrant activists... the Pro-Heroin lobby, the Atheists that think they have a right to a freedom from religion... NAMBLA... the NAACP... KKK... or the ACLU.

    These people have far too much time on their hands... they all need to get a real job and a real life. They would find life takes up all their time.
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    #1162

    Aug 20, 2013, 03:41 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    of course they have an agenda. everyone must conform to their views or they are affronted. We are being forced, coerced, into accepting that which we oppose even though we are the majority.The world is tough and some people don't like gays by reason of their life style, I don't use a gay barber for example
    Wonder what you will do when you are no longer a majority?
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    #1163

    Aug 20, 2013, 03:43 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Wonder what you will do when you are no longer a majority?
    I could force my views on other people claiming discrimination
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    #1164

    Aug 20, 2013, 03:50 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I respect their position because they are responsible for the consequences of their actions not me, so it's up to the law now, and I respect that too.

    My position is that religion is subjective to the practicing person but the law should apply to all. Like I said, if you cannot see the discrimination because of your religious views, that's a problem, but it's yours to solve. I have empathy and can appreciate the conflict between religious belief, and practice and the law.

    Good Luck.
    This is the issue, same as with coercive union dues, No one should be forced to support something they don't endorse. Tolerance is a two way street.
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    #1165

    Aug 20, 2013, 04:32 PM
    With 360 million individual, debate and compromise has to be the order of things.
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    #1166

    Aug 20, 2013, 04:33 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    I could force my views on other people claiming discrimination
    See if the judge agrees with you.
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    #1167

    Aug 20, 2013, 05:40 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    With 360 million individual, debate and compromise has to be the order of things.
    I believe I said compromise. Where is the compromise in punishing someone for refusing to be coerced into violating their beliefs?
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    #1168

    Aug 20, 2013, 06:01 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    See if the judge agrees with you.
    I expect there is plenty of precedent
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    #1169

    Aug 20, 2013, 06:34 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I believe I said compromise. Where is the compromise in punishing someone for refusing to be coerced into violating their beliefs?
    So its okay for Christian to break the law because of religious beliefs? Why can't Muslim practice Sharia law for the same reasons?
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    #1170

    Aug 20, 2013, 06:51 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    So its okay for Christian to break the law because of religious beliefs? Why can't Muslim practice Sharia law for the same reasons?
    They already do. Mulims have been using sharia law here for awhile.
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    #1171

    Aug 20, 2013, 07:41 PM
    Have you never heard the law is an a$$. As far as I'm aware the state cannot govern the practice of religion which makes things very difficult where there is conflict
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    #1172

    Aug 20, 2013, 07:44 PM
    The state can govern discrimination. Don't like it, change the law.
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    #1173

    Aug 20, 2013, 07:46 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by cdad View Post
    They already do. Mulims have been using sharia law here for awhile.
    Not when it conflicts with local, state, or federal laws. Got a link that says otherwise?
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    #1174

    Aug 21, 2013, 04:02 AM
    It's come to this... billioniare financier of crony socialism George Soros sold off his shares of US Airways last quarter .
    George Soros

    Last week the Holder Justice Dept sued to block a merger between US Airways and American Airways .
    The hookup of American and US Airways had been viewed by many as a foregone conclusion and the culmination to a wave of major-carrier consolidation that has helped put major U.S. airlines on more sound financial footing.
    Justice Department sues to block planned American-US Airways merger - Chicago Tribune

    U.S. Airways stock dropped more than 15% in value in the two days after the Justice Department action was announced.

    HMMMMMMM... a timely sell off indeed . Was he tipped off ?
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    #1175

    Aug 21, 2013, 04:46 AM
    Oh you KNOW that was insider information... but he'll never be investigated by THIS administration for it.
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    #1176

    Aug 21, 2013, 04:56 AM
    Move along, nothing to see here.
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    #1177

    Aug 21, 2013, 05:14 AM
    Obama hosted the undefeated '72 Miami Dolphins team at the White House for some reason, and uttered the "painfully racist" name of their opponent.

    Obama Uses the 'R-Word' | National Review Online

    Doesn't he know how insensitive that is?
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    #1178

    Aug 21, 2013, 05:32 AM
    I'm tired of the Fins . That team was NOT that good . OK their D was good ,but the offense was at best good enough when playing against teams with mostly losing records (their opponents record was a combined 70-122) . I'd take most of the Super Bowl winning teams in a one game playoff against them. Fine ,let them get their White House recognition and then go away... PLEASE !
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    #1179

    Aug 21, 2013, 05:50 AM
    Please, political correctness gone mad a whole language you can't use
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    #1180

    Aug 21, 2013, 10:12 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Not when it conflicts with local, state, or federal laws. Got a link that says otherwise?
    It has to conform. And lower courts are allowing the use of it in many civil cases.

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