[smoothy]

Hello again, smoothy:

I notice you don't defend Cruz. You only attack Obama. Therefore, you AGREE that Cruz IS a racist.

excon

Obama compared to Cruz is like compairing the Imperial Dragon of the KKK to the Pope.

[excon]

Hello again, Smoothy:

I agree. But Pope is a little strong for Obama, don't you think?

excon

[smoothy]

Hello again, Smoothy:

I agree. But Pope is a little strong for Obama, don't you think?

excon

I didn't say WHICH pope... you could take your pick of current or previous ones.

Cruz at least hasn't written two books laced with racist comments and inuendo.

Autobographies are like that... your words and thoughts in print... can't deny what you wrote yourself.

I don't plan to ever write one...

[excon]

Hello again, smoothy:

written two books laced with racist comments and inuendo.

Could you possibly link me to some of that racist stuff?

Excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

I guess you could say that attending a dinner that Ayers attended, and calling for 100 Bill Ayers to be in the US Senate IS the same thing, if you were batsh!t crazy.

excon

If that were what I had said, OK. Personally I think it batsh!t crazy to label Cruz a racist, but even racists can have admirable characteristics. I recall much lavish praise bestowed on "Sheets" Byrd over the years by his Dem colleagues and the media and yet every time he's mentioned here we get nothing but the crickets chirping. Cruz was admiring Helms having a spine, something that's sorely lacking in in Congress - most of them must have attended those "group spine removal procedures" like the White House hosts.

[smoothy]

Hello again, smoothy:
Could you possibly link me to some of that racist stuff?

excon

Articles: Powered by Hate: Racist Content from Dreams from My Father!

[Wondergirl]

Articles: Powered by Hate: Racist Content from Dreams from My Father!

And how did you live your life in college, and who did you hang out with -- and why?

You do know what college is for most of us, right?

***ADDED*** Let's say you are half white and half black. You grow up surrounded by whites. You talk white, you think white, you eat white food, you sleep between white sheets. Then you get into college, look in the mirror, and see a black face. Who are you, really? Are you white? Are you black? And when in your late teens and early twenties, you hang out with various groups and associates to find out.

[smoothy]

And how did you live your life in college, and who did you hang out with -- and why?

You do know what college is for most of us, right?

I'm not a public official... and I'm not the president, and it can safely be assumed I won't ever be. I'm 52 and have zero desire to run for any elected office.

I however didn't hang out with terrorists or anyone who would be called radicals... and while I do know someone that's doing life in prison... its because it was a small school district... not because were were ever friends or ever once hung out together.

[Wondergirl]

I'm not a public official.......and I'm not the president.

He wasn't then (in college) either.

The book was published in July 1995 as Obama was preparing to launch his political career in a campaign for an Illinois office. (He wasn't president when he wrote it or got it published.)

[smoothy]

He wasn't then (in college) either.

The book was published in July 1995 as Obama was preparing to launch his political career in a campaign for an Illinois office. (He wasn't president when he wrote it or got it published.)

It was PUBLISHED then... but he himself stated he hung out with Weather Undergroud Terrorists and other things while in college. Again... his words... therefore it can be assumed he actually did what he said.

Funny how things can come back to haunt you... when you write an autobiography.

[Wondergirl]

It was PUBLISHED then....but he himself stated he hung out with Weather Undergroud Terrorists and other things while in college. Again...his words....therefore it can be assumed he actually did what he said.

Funny how things can come back to haunt you.....when you write an autobiography.

And whom did YOU hang out with in college?

College is time to experiment. I (Lutheran minister's daughter) hung out with atheists and agnostics -- my parents would have disowned me had they known. I also skipped chapel every Wednesday and slept in on Sunday mornings. My mom's still alive. Don't tell her. (And that's all I'm going to reveal about my college life except that I almost got kicked out after my first semester for failing classes -- after graduating at the top of my class in high school.)

[smoothy]

And whom did YOU hang out with in college?

College is time to experiment. I (Lutheran minister's daughter) hung out with atheists and agnostics -- my parents would have disowned me had they known. I also skipped chapel every Wednesday and slept in on Sunday mornings. My mom's still alive. Don't tell her. (And that's all I'm going to reveal about my college life except that I almost got kicked out after my first semester for failing classes -- after graduating at the top of my class in high school.)

Nobody I've ever seen on the news... and quite honeslty... There are only 4 who's names I can remember. They were all roomates at one time or other before I went overseas (we worked at the same employer). None of them ever got more than a speeding ticket.

[Wondergirl]

Nobody I've ever seen on the news

You must not have gone to Harvard. (Neither did I -- although I could have hung out with Pete Seeger when he performed at my college.)

[smoothy]

You must not have gone to Harvard. (Neither did I -- although I could have hung out with Pete Seeger when he performed at my college.)

Nope... didn't go to any of the big schools... I was the wrong racial background to get a free ride under affirmative action and the CETA program.. that Obama got .

Poor white people didn't qualify back then so I did what I was able with what I could scrape together.

Yes we both started college at roughly the same time. Being we are only 2 months apart in age.

[Wondergirl]

get a free ride under affirmative action and the CETA program..that Obama got .

You can document that?

[smoothy]

You can document that?

Google it... any Black person that applied for it then got it... full tuition and even got paid to sit in class...

I know what it entailed because I tried to get it... and was flat out turned down for it because I wasn't a minority or a welfare recipient. Yes htats the reason they gave.


THis is first hand direct personal experience. Not a handed down story. Do I still have the letters... probibly not... I might but I wouldn't know where it is if it hasn't been lost or burned since 1979. I've only moved over a dozen times since then. Things disappear during moves. Your memories don't.

[Wondergirl]

Google it....any Black person that applied for it then got it.....full tuition and even got paid to sit in class....

In other words, you can't. My Googling tells me he did graduate with a debt of at least $40,000.

[smoothy]

In other words, you can't. My Googling tells me he did graduate with a debt of at least $40,000.

Only $40,000 bwahahah... so who paid the rest of it? He claimed to be poor.

He went to Columbia AND harvard... neither of them were inexpensive schools... that wouldn't have got you anywhere near 4 years at either of them even back then. Without even counting living expenses OR textbooks.

[Wondergirl]

Only $40,000 bwahahah.....so who paid the rest of it? He claimed to be poor.

He went to Columbia AND harvard...neither of them were inexpensive schools....that wouldn't have got you anywhere near 4 years at either of them even back then. Without even counting living expenses OR textbooks.

He may have gotten scholarships and grants. I did at my college.

What was the cost for a year at Harvard back then when he attended?

[smoothy]

He may have gotten scholarships and grants. I did at my college.

What was the cost for a year at Harvard back then when he attended?

I know what it was for Penn State at in-state rates for the program I took at the scholls I went to back then... and Harvard was far more expensive than that.. Its always been.

You would have easily been over $40K on a 4 year program before books... supplies other fees and room and board instate rates at Penn State.


Which far exceeded the Maximum you could borrow on student loans back then. Because the cap was about 1/2 that... so he didn't owe that in regualr student loans. They wouldn't let you go that far in the hole back then even if you could afford the 8.5% interest..