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    #1081

    Mar 16, 2013, 06:39 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    My husband says if I don't have a FOID card (IL), I will not be able to keep his gun collection.



    If you are his sole heir, you will have the opportunity to apply for one. Guns are no different than any other personal property when it comes to inheritance. Several people I know have passed on and their spouses automatically became the owner of their firearms. They were given the opportunity of expedited application processes for licenses for the handguns. They were advised to keep the original permits with the firearms in a locked safe with a copy of the death certificate of the original owner and also to provide a copy of the DC with their application.
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    #1082

    Mar 16, 2013, 06:41 PM
    There are already laws in place for passing guns to family or anyone else a part of an estate.

    Gun Control Laws & Inheritance, Federal Firearms Laws, Inheriting Guns
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    #1083

    Mar 16, 2013, 06:55 PM
    The Gun Debate has gone on for years. Everyone has an answer. The Supreme Court has the final say. If this ban comes before the SC, then they will decide whether it is Constitutional and infringes on anyone's Second Amendment rights. And everyone involved is passionate about their opinions. By doing all of this, it only give fodder to both sides to say bad things about the others arguments.
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    #1084

    Mar 16, 2013, 09:03 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    There are already laws in place for passing guns to family or anyone else a part of an estate.

    Gun Control Laws & Inheritance, Federal Firearms Laws, Inheriting Guns
    That is how it is right now. But with a gun ban they may strip the right to transfer it. So that means the government owns it and turns it to junk and the kids get nothing.
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    #1085

    Mar 17, 2013, 02:16 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    There are already laws in place
    Which should be the entire gun control debate in a nutshell, except for political grandstanding on both sides.
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    #1086

    Mar 17, 2013, 12:25 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Lets see about the guy who went to a school full of communist teachers, who wanted to take over the government, He stayed and graduated. Bet he wants his kids to go there too! He didn't tranfer after finding he was in a nest of communists, but he blasts his alma mater. Thats real class right?
    I look forward for the opportunity of some day voting for him. Cruz critique of the Harvard Law school was that there were many proponents of the Marxist inspired 'critical legal studies' (CLS) school of thought.
    CLS says that laws are actually no more than a means by which the powerful in society oppress the lower classes, and perpetuates and legitimizes injustices. They say the rich use the law as an instrument for oppression. They say judges should use political considerations to change laws because laws are nothing more than politics anyway. CLS is an American movement that indeed relies heavily on the works of Marx ,Engels ,Max Weber,and Antonio Gramsci among others .
    That Harvard law is infested with this type of professor is indisputable . Time Mag identified it as a hot bed of CLS in 2005.
    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...050592,00.html

    While Obama was at Harvard law ,he studied under Roberto Mangabeira Unger ;the leading proponent of the CLS movement. This last election ,Unger turned on Obama and called for his defeat . Why ? Because Obama wasn't radical enough in advancing the cause of 'progressivism'.
    This is who's teaching our future crop of Harvard Law School graduates .

    Yes Cruz was right . It is absurd to suggest that he should've just abandoned his studies . For what purpose? Had he gone to Yale ,or Georgetown ,or many of the other prestigious schools of law in the country he would've encountered the same atmosphere. You can deny it all you want to ,but lefties dominate academia .
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    #1087

    Mar 17, 2013, 01:10 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again,

    Cruz is a smarmy impertinent sleaze bag.

    excon
    I just got my 'Proud Wacko Bird' tee shirt in the mail.
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    #1088

    Mar 17, 2013, 02:22 PM
    Yes I've got one that says; a little bird told me you are stupid, must be the same bird
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    #1089

    Mar 18, 2013, 03:43 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I look forward for the opportunity of some day voting for him. Cruz critique of the Harvard Law school was that there were many proponents of the Marxist inspired 'critical legal studies' (CLS) school of thought.
    CLS says that laws are actually no more than a means by which the powerful in society oppress the lower classes, and perpetuates and legitimizes injustices. They say the rich use the law as an instrument for oppression. They say judges should use political considerations to change laws because laws are nothing more than politics anyway. CLS is an American movement that indeed relies heavily on the works of Marx ,Engels ,Max Weber,and Antonio Gramsci among others .
    That Harvard law is infested with this type of professor is indisputable . Time Mag identified it as a hot bed of CLS in 2005.
    Law: Critical Legal Times at Harvard - TIME

    While Obama was at Harvard law ,he studied under Roberto Mangabeira Unger ;the leading proponent of the CLS movement. This last election ,Unger turned on Obama and called for his defeat . Why ? Because Obama wasn't radical enough in advancing the cause of 'progressivism'.
    This is who's teaching our future crop of Harvard Law School graduates .

    Yes Cruz was right . It is absurd to suggest that he should've just abandoned his studies . For what purpose? Had he gone to Yale ,or Georgetown ,or many of the other prestigious schools of law in the country he would've encountered the same atmosphere. You can deny it all you want to ,but lefties dominate academia .
    Eight years ago you could not get an undergraduate degree by exclusively studying CLS for 4 years.

    It is likely that CLS was a unit component of philosophy or some other related discipline which would represent a Unit choice. CLS would represent a Unit of study worth so many unit points toward a degree.

    There would be many other Unit components to choose from. For example: Corporate Law; Criminal law; Law and Social Change, etc.

    No one really studies under anyone, except for post graduate students. Undergraduates would have a variety of teachers and tutors for a variety of courses.
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    #1090

    Mar 18, 2013, 05:37 AM
    I believe the key word was "proponents" of CLS.
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    #1091

    Mar 18, 2013, 05:44 AM


    Food For Thought
    If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but not for being in the country illegally... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

    If you have to get your parents' permission to go on a field trip or take an aspirin in school, but not to get an abortion... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

    If the only school curriculum allowed to explain how we got here is evolution, but the government stops a $15 million construction project to keep a rare spider from evolving to extinction... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

    If you have to show identification to board an airplane, cash a check, buy liquor or check out a library book, but not to vote who runs the government... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

    If the government wants to ban stable, law-abiding citizens from owning gun magazines with more than ten rounds, but gives 20 F-16 fighter jets to the crazy new terrorist Muslim Brotherhood leaders in Egypt... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

    If, in the largest city, you can buy two 16-ounce sodas, but not a 24-ounce soda because 24-ounces of a sugary drink might make you fat... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

    If an 80-year-old woman can be stripped searched by the TSA but a woman in a hijab is only subject to having her neck and head searched... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

    If your government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

    If a seven year old boy can be thrown out of school for saying his teacher's "cute," but hosting a sexual exploration or diversity class in grade school is perfectly acceptable... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

    If children are forcibly removed from parents who discipline them with spankings while children of addicts are left in filth and drug infested “homes”... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

    If hard work and success are met with higher taxes and more government intrusion, while not working is rewarded with EBT cards, WIC checks, Medicaid, subsidized housing and free cell phones... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

    If the government's plan for getting people back to work is to incentivize NOT working with 99 weeks of unemployment checks and no requirement to prove they applied but can't find work... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

    If being stripped of the ability to defend yourself makes you more "safe" according to the government... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
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    #1092

    Mar 18, 2013, 05:52 AM
    Hello smoothy:

    Washington is right. That's why we HAVE a Second Amendment.

    But, like many in the tin foil hat crowd, you believe the government is going to take away ALL your guns.

    There ain't nothing I can say about that.

    excon
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    #1093

    Mar 18, 2013, 06:00 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Tuttyd View Post
    Eight years ago you could not get an undergraduate degree by exclusively studying CLS for 4 years.

    It is likely that CLS was a unit component of philosophy or some other related discipline which would represent a Unit choice. CLS would represent a Unit of study worth so many unit points toward a degree.

    There would be many other Unit components to choose from. For example: Corporate Law; Criminal law; Law and Social Change, etc.

    No one really studies under anyone, except for post graduate students. Undergraduates would have a variety of teachers and tutors for a variety of courses.
    What speech said.. even if CLS was but one course for credit ,a significant number of professors at Harvard have it as their ideological foundation. Harvard Law is an advanced degree,not undergraduate . One of the few things that have been discovered about our President's past was which people influenced the direction he took . Unger is right up there with Bill Ayers ,and Obama's early mentor Frank Marshall Davis .
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    #1094

    Mar 18, 2013, 06:04 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello smoothy:

    Washington is right. That's why we HAVE a Second Amendment.

    But, like many in the tin foil hat crowd, you believe the government is gonna take away ALL your guns.

    There ain't nothing I can say about that.

    excon
    Ex... pull those earplugs OUT of your ears... and open your eyes... because it's the lunatics in YOUR party that's trying to do exactly that...

    Barara Fienstien flat out said it... wrote a bill to do it... and is ramming it through the Senate...

    That's VERY real... not imaginary..
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    #1095

    Mar 18, 2013, 06:37 AM
    Hello smoothy:

    Barara Fienstien flat out said it... wrote a bill to do it... and is ramming it through the Senate...
    Got a link?

    No, you don't, because it's just not so. The Feinstien bill lists 157 brands specifically to be banned, and EXCLUDES 2,258 legitimate hunting and sporting rifles and shotguns by specific name..

    Now, to ME, being able to buy 2,258 kinds of long guns ISN'T a ban. It isn't even close, no matter how you spin it.

    Excon
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    #1096

    Mar 18, 2013, 06:40 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello smoothy:

    Got a link?

    No, you don't, because it's just not so. The Feinstien bill lists 157 brands specifically to be banned, and EXCLUDES 2,258 legitimate hunting and sporting rifles and shotguns by specific name ..

    Now, to ME, being able to buy 2,258 kinds of long guns ISN'T a ban. It isn't even close, no matter how you spin it.

    excon
    Boy you lefties really are gullible... you believe absolutely everything a Democrat tells you to believe.

    Ever hear the phrase "you can't see the forrest for the trees"? Understand what it means?
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    #1097

    Mar 18, 2013, 06:58 AM
    Hello smoothy:

    .. you believe absolutely everything a Democrat tells you to believe. Ever hear the phrase "you can't see the forrest for the trees"?
    What I pay attention to is the BILLS they introduce, NOT the noise. There are MORE than enough gun lovers in the Democratic party to STOP any perceived gun ban.. Plus, the only PERCEIVED gun ban resides in the heads of right wingers.

    I KNOW that because the only person you said WANTS to ban guns, DOESN'T want to ban them.

    The forest and the trees ARE the Constitution. The Second Amendment is NOT in danger of being repealed... I know you don't believe it. I can't help that.

    Excon
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    #1098

    Mar 18, 2013, 07:21 AM
    What you don't pay attention to (or ignore) is the DETAILS in those bills. As I mentioned before, one of them will make it a FELONY to go on vacation for more than 7 days while letting a friend house sit with your guns there unless you do a background check and transfer via Federal Firearm License holder . It also makes it a FELONY for many other so-called "transfers" without the FFL transfer and background check such as loaning your best friend a gun to use at the shooting range for a couple of hours.
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    #1099

    Mar 18, 2013, 07:24 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello smoothy:

    What I pay attention to is the BILLS they introduce, NOT the noise. There are MORE than enough gun lovers in the Democratic party to STOP any perceived gun ban.. Plus, the only PERCEIVED gun ban resides in the heads of right wingers.

    I KNOW that because the only person you said WANTS to ban guns, DOESN'T want to ban them.

    The forest and the trees ARE the Constitution. The Second Amendment is NOT in danger of being repealed... I know you don't believe it. I can't help that.

    excon
    THEN YOU BETTER GET YOUR LEFTY FRIENDS TO STOP TRYING... like find them somethig productrive to do... like poking mountain lions with a stick or something.
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    Mar 18, 2013, 07:30 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello smoothy:

    Got a link?

    No, you don't, because it's just not so. The Feinstien bill lists 157 brands specifically to be banned, and EXCLUDES 2,258 legitimate hunting and sporting rifles and shotguns by specific name ..

    Now, to ME, being able to buy 2,258 kinds of long guns ISN'T a ban. It isn't even close, no matter how you spin it.

    excon
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