[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

I'm not saying you didn't pass it. I'm saying it's racist, it suppresses the vote, and it's unconstitutional. The federal court AGREES with me too.

excon

[talaniman]

QUOTE by smoothy;
The Republicans don't control the White house or the Senate... thats why we need to talk about the Democrats and what they aren't doing to change things for the better.

You weren't going to participate in anything anyway, just fillibuster your butts off over anything, even when you supported it before. The first four years were you guys negotiating and voting against EVERYTHING. Now its squeal and repeal. Another tactic to hide the lack of ideas by republicans. Hell when you did come out with your ideas in 2012 by Romney/Ryan, they were rejected.

And to the topic... you can't even vote most countries without a legal government issued ID to prove you are elligible and who you claim.

We do have those ID's to cash checks and get government benefits but that's not good enough for local republican. A gun license is though(?).

You can't even file for welfare without an ID... so if they have welfare... they have an ID.. and thus have an ID to use to vote... Same with Food Stamps... you don't get any of those without an ID to prove who you are.

Good enough for benefits, but not to vote(?). Who are you trying to fool? Suppression was the goal, is the goal, and always was the goal, and would be racist if not for the fact its really about power and influence.

If you want to assimilate and attract people stop screwing with them, and calling the names.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

I'm not saying you didn't pass it. I'm saying it's racist, it suppresses the vote, and it's unconstitutional. The federal court AGREES with me too.

excon

I'd say it was probably discriminatory, towards Democrats. Your side does it, too.

[talaniman]

I'd say it was probably discriminatory, towards Democrats. Your side does it, too.

I don't think so.

[smoothy]

You weren't going to participate in anything anyway, just fillibuster your butts off over anything, even when you supported it before. The first four years were you guys negotiating and voting against EVERYTHING. Now its squeal and repeal. Another tactic to hide the lack of ideas by republicans. Hell when you did come out with your ideas in 2012 by Romney/Ryan, they were rejected.



We do have those ID's to cash checks and get government benefits but that's not good enough for local republican. A gun license is though(?).



Good enough for benefits, but not to vote(?). Who are you trying to fool? Suppression was the goal, is the goal, and always was the goal, and would be racist if not for the fact its really about power and influence.

If you want to assimilate and attract people stop screwing with them, and calling the names.

Face the fact... YOUR people are getting nothing done even though you have both the Presidency AND the Senate...

You USED to have all three... and what did you accomplish... oh right... Obamacare that almost 70% of the people don't want...

[speechlesstx]

I don't think so.

You don't gerrymander? Bwa ha ha ha!! I remember when after the '90 census your guys split Amarillo and put me in a Democratic district with Bill Sarpalius.

[tomder55]

I can tell you that I'm in my 3rd congressional district since the 2000 census. Ben Gilman ,a lion of the House had his district completely erased . Then I was moved to Eliot Engel's district even though he represents the Bronx and districts on the East side of the Hudson River. I live in a county on the west side of the river .So they ran his district lines 20 miles up the river and then west to divide our county into 2 districts with Engel getting the portion I live in ,and the rest of my county to a congressional district to a county west of us.
Then after the 2010 census my neighborhood was again carved out and given to that libtard Nita Lowey .
So ,if redistricting is a form of voter suppression then consider my vote suppressed .

[paraclete]

What can I tell you Tom shiite happens. The electorate I'm in is the base of a conservative representative but when its boundries were further west this town was squarely in the Labor camp. I can remember when the boundary split the town in two. Why do the boundries move around, because of population growth. I am denied a candidate of the party of my choosing because of deals between the coalition partners and thereby my vote is suppressed. Do I whine and winge about this, no it gives me the opportunity to demonstrate loyalty to the conservative cause as well as creating a little mayhem with preferences

[tomder55]

Why do the boundries move around, because of population growth. I am denied a candidate of the party of my choosing because of deals between the coalition partners and thereby my vote is suppressed.

So what is it ? Population growth ,or because of deals between the pols ? NY lost rep because sane people are leaving the state (my time will come too because my property taxes alone represent a rent I pay the state equal to my mortgage for the right to "own" my house ) . Meanwhile states like Texas are increasing their population because they understand what it takes to attract business . But instead of dividing the districts equitably they do carve outs designed to create a permanent majority . When a district snakes up 20 miles of river with no population to carve up a few neighborhoods ,that's a good indicator that there was no logic to the district lines but raw politics.

[paraclete]

So what is it ? population growth ,or because of deals between the pols ? NY lost rep because sane people are leaving the state (my time will come too because my property taxes alone represent a rent I pay the state equal to my mortgage for the right to "own" my house ) . Meanwhile states like Texas are increasing their population because they understand what it takes to attract business . But instead of dividing the districts equitably they do carve outs designed to create a permanent majority . When a district snakes up 20 miles of river with no population to carve up a few neighborhoods ,that's a good indicator that there was no logic to the district lines but raw politics.

Population growth is the reason the boundaries move. We have an electoral commission which doesn't take political considerations into account and can create a marginal electorate with the stroke of a pen. Usually boundries follow natural barriers. Political deals is why the party of choice doesn't field a candidate in this electorate. I know multi-party politics is a stretch for you but we have lots of parties contesting elections even though few of them have much chance. This electorate was for a long time held by an independent, so the parties are much more circumspect about splitting the vote

[talaniman]

Texas redistricting plan ruled illegal - San Antonio Express-News

Politics aside Texas is an energy state and has a plan for long term infrastructure funding that allows for massive expansion, and growth leveraged by the stimulus that you guys say didn't work. Its always raw politics anywhere in America. But Texas has no cities with 8 million people in it anywhere.

[paraclete]

Seems like you have problems with Abbotts over there too, Tal. Always someone who doesn't like the umpires decision. This sort of thing is why the process of deciding boundaries was long ago given to a federal agency that administers all elections, but then you can't do that, you have states rights.

I can't image what impact the size of the city has but it must make things extremely difficult for those who want the electorates to be roughly the same population, just like Tom's twenty miles of shoreline and yet representative of the population. It produces some illogical results, like electorates that comprise half the state (our states are bigger than yours, even bigger than Texas) and lines that are drawn down urban streets

[speechlesstx]

Texas redistricting plan ruled illegal - San Antonio Express-News

Politics aside Texas is an energy state and has a plan for long term infrastructure funding that allows for massive expansion, and growth leveraged by the stimulus that you guys say didn't work. Its always raw politics anywhere in America. But Texas has no cities with 8 million people in it anywhere.

Lol, you seriously expect us to believe that Texas has thrived because of the stimulus? Bwa Ha ha!!

P. S. Nice try with your shiny thing to distract us from the fact that you guys suppress the vote with your gerrymandering but good to know you agree it isn't racism, it's just politics.

[talaniman]

I have given you the Texas government websites already so its not me saying it, its Texas saying it. Believe whatever you want.

[speechlesstx]

I have given you the Texas government websites already so its not me saying it, its Texas saying it. Believe whatever you want.

Dude, we never slowed down here, construction has been through the roof and none of it was from Porkulus. In fact the only sign of Porkulus here is one company has been building solar canopies in the parking lot of the VA hospital for three years. Texas has thrived in spite of Obamanomics.

[paraclete]

Time for the Lone Star to become a republic again

[talaniman]

Time for the Lone Star to become a republic again

Lots of crazies talk that rhetoric, but it's not an option.

Dude, we never slowed down here, construction has been through the roof and none of it was from Porkulus. In fact the only sign of Porkulus here is one company has been building solar canopies in the parking lot of the VA hospital for three years. Texas has thrived in spite of Obamanomics.

Haven't looked it up for yourself yet huh? Okay I'll wait.

[speechlesstx]

Haven't looked it up for yourself yet huh? Okay I'll wait.

a) I'm not searching for some link you provided God knows when, that's up to you if you want to lean on that narrative.

b) Good luck linking that as the reason Texas has thrived.

[tomder55]

Time for the Lone Star to become a republic again

Nope.. the US fought the Mexicans for Texas fair and square .

[tomder55]

Population growth is the reason the boundaries move. We have an electoral commision which doesn't take political considerations into account and can create a marginal electorate with the stroke of a pen. Usually boundries follow natural barriers. Political deals is why the party of choice doesn't field a candidate in this electorate. I know multi-party politics is a stretch for you but we have lots of parties contesting elections even though few of them have much chance. This electorate was for a long time held by an independent, so the parties are much more circumspect about splitting the vote

Not here... this is what the Dems did to my district after the 2000 census. Note that the majority of the population in the district is in the Bronx... then they ran the district up the Hudson river to disenfranchise our suburban community .