[tomder55]

not talking about all the states ;most of which were predetermined . Blue states go overwhelmingly blue . Red states red . What Republican counters said in those states is irrelevant.

There were a handful of swing states that determined the election . Those were the states that had issues with election laws being changed outside of the constitutional process of state legislatures creating the law .They were the ones that Suddenly had the vote count stopped by Dem election officials with Trump in a significant lead ;and suddenly turned when the count resumed in the morning (or in the case of Georgia when Republican counters were cleared from the room. )

The Compost had an article Tuesday I can't link to . It calculates that Republicans came within 90,000 votes — 43,000 votes for president, 32,000 votes for the House and 14,000 votes for the Senate — from controlling all of Washington. The difference was in a few key counties in a few swing state that occured in the late night /early morning of Nov 4 .

Trump won in 2016 by some 77,000 votes in a few swing states and even though Evita eventually conceded ;to this day she states the election was stolen

[paraclete]

so two stolen elections, seeing a trend here

[Athos]

not talking about all the states ;most of which were predetermined . Blue states go overwhelmingly blue . Red states red . What Republican counters said in those states is irrelevant.

There were a handful of swing states that determined the election . Those were the states that had issues with election laws being changed outside of the constitutional process of state legislatures creating the law .They were the ones that Suddenly had the vote count stopped by Dem election officials with Trump in a significant lead ;and suddenly turned when the count resumed in the morning (or in the case of Georgia when Republican counters were cleared from the room. )

The Compost had an article Tuesday I can't link to . It calculates that Republicans came within 90,000 votes — 43,000 votes for president, 32,000 votes for the House and 14,000 votes for the Senate — from controlling all of Washington. The difference was in a few key counties in a few swing state that occured in the late night /early morning of Nov 4 .

Trump won in 2016 by some 77,000 votes in a few swing states and even though Evita eventually conceded ;to this day she states the election was stolen

I repeat: How explain all the courts - including the SC - not finding anything of substance to examine? The timing you mentioned seems normal - picking up the count again in the morning. The mail-in ballots could be purposely not counted until a later time or not available until then. This complaint has been debunked again and again. You can find it if you do a bit of searching.

You are drawing conclusions from thin air - have you checked your ideas elsewhere? (And HC has nothing to do with it.)

Is AG Barr irrelevant?

[jlisenbe]

The timing you mentioned seems normal - picking up the count again in the morning. The mail-in ballots could be purposely not counted until a later time or not available until then.

Seems normal...could be. Funny how you are so eager to give the benefit of the doubt to the process that elected Biden.

[tomder55]

seems and could be........ What the swamp wanted was for Trump to roll over and play dead like Nixon did in 1960 . I suppose that in the key battle ground states it is possible that stopping the count with Trump in a significant lead ;and then resuming it in the morning to find in all those states Quid won is possible . Quite a coincidence however .But ' in a world that operates largely at random, coincidences are to be expected, but any one of them must always be mistrusted.' (Rex Stout ;'Champagne for One' )

[jlisenbe]

When a person becomes OK with killing a baby in the 20th week of pregnancy, then that person can accept practically anything. The dark sky is the limit. Election dishonesty? No problem.

[talaniman]

seems and could be........ What the swamp wanted was for Trump to roll over and play dead like Nixon did in 1960 . I suppose that in the key battle ground states it is possible that stopping the count with Trump in a significant lead ;and then resuming it in the morning to find in all those states Quid won is possible . Quite a coincidence however .But ' in a world that operates largely at random, coincidences are to be expected, but any one of them must always be mistrusted.' (Rex Stout ;'Champagne for One' )

Is it a coincidence that the far right media is claiming that election rules were changed in swing states by dem activist judges illegally? Nope all the fringers including the dufus has used that excuse to cry foul on any judicial ruling that goes against the narrative of election fraud.

When you cannot argue the facts of the law you cry foul. The repubs traditional voter suppression tactics didn't work and as Athos has pointed out even repubs had no choice but to declare NO FRAUD and certify the results. That's how the dufus lost, repubs lost the house and senate. Not the first time that's happened, so please spare us the the whine. If the dufus had just stopped lying and scheming and conniving after losing 60 court cases we wouldn't have the events of Jan the 6th now would we?

[tomder55]

Is it a coincidence that the far right media is claiming that election rules were changed in swing states by dem activist judges illegally? Nope all the fringers including the dufus has used that excuse to cry foul on any judicial ruling that goes against the narrative of election fraud.

The Time Mag article I already linked to has the Dems bragging about how they did the steal in cahoots with major media and internet giants like Twitter ,Facebook Google . They boast how they created conditions where 100s of thousands of signatures could not be verified .

Quid hardly campaigned and yet received 81 million votes . Hatred of Trump could in part explain it . But not enough . The American people do not reward lack luster campaign in your basement . The media and the powerful tech companies did Quid's work for him .It is estimated that the Zuckerberg's and others donated major $$$$$ into the key districts for the sole purpose of harvesting absentee ballots (Zuckerberg $400million alone . )How Much Big Tech Companies Donated In 2020 Election | Observer

That's how the dufus lost, repubs lost the house and senate.

In 2020, the GOP grew by 12 seats; in the House and are within 6 of controlling the House. The GOP grew at the state level . They tied in the Senate because of the post election special elections during Trump's post election meltdown in Georgia . The outlier was Quid's win.

[talaniman]

The Time Mag article I already linked to has the Dems bragging about how they did the steal in cahoots with major media and internet giants like Twitter ,Facebook Google . They boast how they created conditions where 100s of thousands of signatures could not be verified .

No body bothered to verify repub votes either right? Oh that's right the only questions of fraud were in the big cities with large minority populations. That's what the dufus and repubs kings of voter suppression for decades and the usual fraud chanters would have us believe.

Quid hardly campaigned and yet received 81 million votes . Hatred of Trump could in part explain it . But not enough . The American people do not reward lack luster campaign in your basement . The media and the powerful tech companies did Quid's work for him .It is estimated that the Zuckerberg's and others donated major $$$$$ into the key districts for the sole purpose of harvesting absentee ballots (Zuckerberg $400million alone . )How Much Big Tech Companies Donated In 2020 Election | Observer

Show me the repub donor lists including those super pacs and we can compare.

In 2020, the GOP grew by 12 seats; in the House and are within 6 of controlling the House. The GOP grew at the state level . They tied in the Senate because of the post election special elections during Trump's post election meltdown in Georgia . The outlier was Quid's win.

You're old enough to see the swing of the pendulum Tom, so a snapshot is hardly a trend.

[tomder55]

sure am old enough . The midterms if not rigged will ":swing" both Houses to Republican control. And at the state legislature level, Republicans continue to make gains .

[talaniman]

Doesn't matter, history says whatever gains a party makes are just temporary.

[Athos]

I suppose that in the key battle ground states it is possible that stopping the count with Trump in a significant lead ;and then resuming it in the morning to find in all those states Quid won is possible . Quite a coincidence however

Not a coincidence at all. As all the world knows (except for you) the mail-in ballots were counted AFTER the in-person ballots were counted. Since Trump loudly claimed the mail-in ballots were fraudulent for months before the election, naturally the Republicans were shy of using them and the Democrats used them. Trump, in effect, shot himself in the foot.

[talaniman]

Not a coincidence at all. As all the world knows (except for you) the mail-in ballots were counted AFTER the in-person ballots were counted. Since Trump loudly claimed the mail-in ballots were fraudulent for months before the election, naturally the Republicans were shy of using them and the Democrats used them. Trump, in effect, shot himself in the foot.

It was and is always okay when repubs use the system to their advantage, but let an ordinary citizen avail themselves of that system then they call foul. Funny how it's a foul on dem voters, and nobody checks repub votes.

Could that be cheating and lying about it? My bad, it's okay if repubs lie cheat and steal.

[jlisenbe]

Since Trump loudly claimed the mail-in ballots were fraudulent for months before the election, naturally the Republicans were shy of using them and the Democrats used them. Trump, in effect, shot himself in the foot.

I doubt there is a shred of evidence to support that idea.

[talaniman]

I doubt there is a shred of evidence to support that idea.

You would be wrong of course...as usual, but given where your head is at quite understandable.

[jlisenbe]

I doubt there is a shred of evidence to support that idea.

Quite naturally, there is no response with evidence. Why? I imagine because there is not any. But I'll wait patiently...as usual.

[talaniman]

Mitch McConnell: Read the Senate minority leader's remarks following Trump's acquittal - CNNPolitics

"January 6th was a disgrace.
"American citizens attacked their own government. They used terrorism to try to stop a specific piece of democratic business they did not like.

"Fellow Americans beat and bloodied our own police. They stormed the Senate floor. They tried to hunt down the Speaker of the House. They built a gallows and chanted about murdering the Vice President.

"They did this because they had been fed wild falsehoods by the most powerful man on Earth — because he was angry he'd lost an election.

"Former President Trump's actions preceding the riot were a disgraceful dereliction of duty.
"The House accused the former President of, quote, 'incitement.' That is a specific term from the criminal law.
"Let me put that to the side for one moment and reiterate something I said weeks ago: There is no question that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of that day.
"The people who stormed this building believed they were acting on the wishes and instructions of their President.
"And their having that belief was a foreseeable consequence of the growing crescendo of false statements, conspiracy theories, and reckless hyperbole which the defeated President kept shouting into the largest megaphone on planet Earth.
"The issue is not only the President's intemperate language on January 6th.
"It is not just his endorsement of remarks in which an associate urged 'trial by combat.'
"It was also the entire manufactured atmosphere of looming catastrophe; the increasingly wild myths about a reverse landslide election that was being stolen in some secret coup by our now-President.
"I defended the President's right to bring any complaints to our legal system. The legal system spoke. The Electoral College spoke. As I stood up and said clearly at the time, the election was settled.
"But that reality just opened a new chapter of even wilder and more unfounded claims.
"The leader of the free world cannot spend weeks thundering that shadowy forces are stealing our country and then feign surprise when people believe him and do reckless things.
"Sadly, many politicians sometimes make overheated comments or use metaphors that unhinged listeners might take literally.
"This was different.
"This was an intensifying crescendo of conspiracy theories, orchestrated by an outgoing president who seemed determined to either overturn the voters' decision or else torch our institutions on the way out.
"The unconscionable behavior did not end when the violence began.
"Whatever our ex-President claims he thought might happen that day... whatever reaction he says he meant to produce... by that afternoon, he was watching the same live television as the rest of the world.
"A mob was assaulting the Capitol in his name. These criminals were carrying his banners, hanging his flags, and screaming their loyalty to him.
"It was obvious that only President Trump could end this.
"Former aides publicly begged him to do so. Loyal allies frantically called the Administration.
"But the President did not act swiftly. He did not do his job. He didn't take steps so federal law could be faithfully executed, and order restored.
"Instead, according to public reports, he watched television happily as the chaos unfolded. He kept pressing his scheme to overturn the election!
"Even after it was clear to any reasonable observer that Vice President Pence was in danger... even as the mob carrying Trump banners was beating cops and breaching perimeters... the President sent a further tweet attacking his Vice President.
"Predictably and foreseeably under the circumstances, members of the mob seemed to interpret this as further inspiration to lawlessness and violence.
"Later, even when the President did halfheartedly begin calling for peace, he did not call right away for the riot to end. He did not tell the mob to depart until even later.
"And even then, with police officers bleeding and broken glass covering Capitol floors, he kept repeating election lies and praising the criminals.
"In recent weeks, our ex-President's associates have tried to use the 74 million Americans who voted to re-elect him as a kind of human shield against criticism.
"Anyone who decries his awful behavior is accused of insulting millions of voters.
"That is an absurd deflection.
"74 million Americans did not invade the Capitol. Several hundred rioters did.
"And 74 million Americans did not engineer the campaign of disinformation and rage that provoked it.
"One person did.
"I have made my view of this episode very plain.

There's PLENTY of evidence....what's the excuse for ignoring it, JL?

[talaniman]

Trumps America



and carnage and chaos

[jlisenbe]

Still waiting...patiently.

[talaniman]

Republicans acquitted Trump again, but this time is different (msn.com)

Nikki Haley, Trump's former ambassador to the United Nations and a potential contender for the GOP presidential nomination in 2024, made a similar argument as McConnell in an interview with Politico Magazine published last week where she said the party needed to acknowledge that Trump let them down.
"He went down a path he shouldn't have, and we shouldn't have followed him, and we shouldn't have listened to him. And we can't let that ever happen again," the former South Carolina governor said in that interview.