[jlisenbe]

If you really believe that then start a business here and show us how it should be done. Every worker is free to work for whoever that person chooses and to make him/herself more valuable with better skills. Free enterprise has helped us develop to the amazing level we presently occupy. I never cease to be amazed at the complainers.

[talaniman]

I'm sure that comment will go over great through the rust belt. Better yet how about those workers in Indiana who's jobs the dufus and Pence? Or Salem, Virginia?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...seas-factories

And

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1F02TL

Or the coal miners for that matter. Tell a 40/50 year old guy with kids and a mortgage how free he is to work anywhere else. Not to mention all those jobs that depended on that factory like suppliers, restaurants, and diners drying up and losing health care insurance.

Yeah bud, you should visit those ghost towns and tell them to stop complaining. Should I pick you up and visit my hometown?

[paraclete]

Yeah bud, you should visit those ghost towns and tell them to stop complaining. Should I pick you up and visit my hometown?

Tal, you can't mean that the fallacies in the system are starting to show, seismic cracks are appearing because the B/S no longer works, utopia lost and all because of a virus. In a pandemic universal health care is essential, it can no longer be confined to the employed or the rich who can afford to buy insurance. And employment, who remembers it outside of the cities and the plush offices

[jlisenbe]

Tal, those situations have always existed and always will. The most skilled person in the buggy whip factory no longer has a job. It happens in socialist economies as well. Still, if you are a butcher, then you can move from job A to job B if job B is more attractive. That's how it works. Every trucking company in America is looking for drivers. There's an answer, and its just one of many. We have had an amazing economy the past several years until Covid hit, and even now it's bouncing back. If you don't believe that, then move to Europe and give us a report.

[paraclete]

Bounce back is very selective, relies on CV19 having passed on

[jlisenbe]

By "bounced back", I was referring to the jobs numbers for July and August which were FAR better than expected. It is plain that business people trust Trump with the economy. I think the decision has been made that we will not drive the economy into a major depression because of the pandemic.

[paraclete]

sensible until the third wave

[jlisenbe]

Fourth wave. Fifth wave. Makes no difference. We will get an entirely new definition of misery if we allow our economy to slip into another Great Depression. Very few Americans or Aussies really understand what hardship is.

[talaniman]

By "bounced back", I was referring to the jobs numbers for July and August which were FAR better than expected. It is plain that business people trust Trump with the economy. I think the decision has been made that we will not drive the economy into a major depression because of the pandemic.

Business people trust the feds pumping trillions into the stock and credit markets while ordinary Americans wait for the congress to act. They went on vacation instead. July and August have come and gone.

[jlisenbe]

Pumping in trillions like Obama did?

"They went on vacation instead." Well, it's the dems who control the House and the House has to write revenue bills. Have you been critical of the dems for that?

[talaniman]

Nope because dems did their job and passed a bill while Mitch and the repubs did not. It's still sitting on his desk waiting for action! Obama passed a stimulus bill after taking office and guided the economy from a freefall created by greedy rich guys trying to steal the money. Totally irrelevant to CURRENT EVENTS, just being a booty!

[jlisenbe]

They passed a bill packed with more pork than could be found in Iowa. They wanted to spend an additional three trillion dollars, and wanted to include checks for 1200 dollars again, most of which would have gone to people who did not need them. So no, they did not do their jobs. And they would not negotiate honestly to arrive at something reasonable. Truth is, the economy is recovering well enough that a stimulus is not needed other than in attempting to buy votes. And unlike what you imply, the Senate does have it's own bill, a much more targeted and reasonable one.

Read it and weep.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahha.../#3a63459e5959

[talaniman]

The senate did NOT pass a bill in June so show me where they have. Dry your eyes and show me the bill you claim they passed.

[jlisenbe]

Hmmm. Looks like the Atlantic is rethinking their story about Trump. Be interesting to see if anyone here feels the need rethink their allegations.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...untrue-n903238

"This admission by Goldberg completely undermines his entire story. Goldberg claimed the trip wasn’t canceled because of weather. Evidence proves this claim is false. Goldberg now admits that weather causing the cancellation is true. Why should we believe anything else in the story when the foundation of it is admitted to be incorrect?"

[talaniman]

Hmmm. Looks like the Atlantic is rethinking their story about Trump. Be interesting to see if anyone here feels the need rethink their allegations.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...untrue-n903238

"This admission by Goldberg completely undermines his entire story. Goldberg claimed the trip wasn’t canceled because of weather. Evidence proves this claim is false. Goldberg now admits that weather causing the cancellation is true. Why should we believe anything else in the story when the foundation of it is admitted to be incorrect?"

What's up with you an these far right wing digital rags and why are you ignoring my question on the bill you said the senate passed?

[jlisenbe]

CNN is a right wing digital rag??? Really? Did you bother to listen to the CNN interview where they blow up his silly story about Trump just refusing to go the cemetery, and where it became clear that he had not even ONE named source? How far does your hatred of Trump carry you?

Please be a little more careful reader and note that I did not say they passed a bill. I said they have one. As I understand it, the bill has not been voted on since they had been in active negotiations with the dems on a compromise package, negotiations which were not successful.

Now that I think of it, you never have given your opinion of the fact that the economy created 10 times more manufacturing jobs in Trump's first 21 months than in Obama's final 21 months. Here is your economic genius speaking.

At a town hall in June 2016, President Obama famously said that some manufacturing jobs “are just not going to come back.” He went on to mock then-candidate Trump by saying he’d need a “magic wand” to make good on this manufacturing job promises.

Always good to have a pres with a magic wand.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckde.../#43a2127b5850

[paraclete]

[talaniman]

CNN is a right wing digital rag??? Really? Did you bother to listen to the CNN interview where they blow up his silly story about Trump just refusing to go the cemetery, and where it became clear that he had not even ONE named source? How far does your hatred of Trump carry you?

Your link was to PJ Media, and grounding the helicopter doesn't change the rest of the reporting

Please be a little more careful reader and note that I did not say they passed a bill. I said they have one. As I understand it, the bill has not been voted on since they had been in active negotiations with the dems on a compromise package, negotiations which were not successful.

Point taken, as Mitch didn't have the votes to pass any bill, and may not be able to pass a smaller bill. Still its 4 months later and no results from repubs even if the Senate let the WH try to do their job for them.

Now that I think of it, you never have given your opinion of the fact that the economy created 10 times more manufacturing jobs in Trump's first 21 months than in Obama's final 21 months. Here is your economic genius speaking.

Always good to have a pres with a magic wand.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckde.../#20f4104b5850

I tend to take a longer view as the devils in in the details of a bigger picture rather than narrow talking points. From last year, a year after your own assertion link.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...rt/4249422002/

I honestly wish the dufus knew what he was doing and not just short term quick ineffective fixes, but his proclivity to throw things together to boost his own self esteem is disgusting and dangerous to the people it affects. You aren't affected by his BS, but many others are and you got what you wanted, hope you're happy, but consider those that were hopeful, but end up screwed.

[jlisenbe]

Your link was to PJ Media, and grounding the helicopter doesn't change the rest of the reporting

As I suspected, you didn't watch the video which was CNN.

I tend to take a longer view as the devils in in the details of a bigger picture rather than narrow talking points. From last year, a year after your own assertion link.

How convenient for you. Just remember that magic wand. Trump has it. Obama plainly did not.

I honestly wish the dufus knew what he was doing

Yeah. Those historic lows for unemployment were no doubt some sort of anomaly. It's kind of like saying that the coach of the New England Pats doesn't know what he's doing. Anyone who wanted a job ended up happy.

[paraclete]

Just remember that magic wand. Trump has it.
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