[paraclete]

Have you been sniffing brolgas or something?

You don't sniff them you watch them dance, and no I haven't been sniffing glue or petrol but I certainly think AOC has. What a dope, but then Tal what do you expect from these leftists, they are all hop heads

[talaniman]

In America, we have a full spectrum of humans, left, right with fringes on both sides and a variety in the middle. That's why we are a melting pot that needs constant stirring. The pendulum of ideas and self governing has always swung both ways as we reach a consensus and make adjustments. By law, the vote rules, and as more people vote we get a more defined direction to travel. The conflict has always been who makes the law and how it's enforced, and who gets control of the money.

That's the story of America Clete, from hip hop newbies, to old duffers who can't dance and can barely walk, and everybody in between. Doesn't matter how you do your dope. Or don't!

[jlisenbe]

The conflict has always been who makes the law and how it's enforced, and who gets control of the money.

Who makes the laws and assuring they are enforced are certainly two keys. Those are two great points you make, and so long as that is fairly done, then no one should complain. I have no idea why the government should care about who has or controls the money.

[talaniman]

I think that having to many people who think they are unfairly treated by those that control the money is a HUGE issue. Seems that government would have a huge interest in it's citizens being treated fairly by those with that kind of power and influence. I think we both know that those who have more money are treated differently than those who don't have as much I mean they even have country clubs that rich wrong doers go to when they break the law which is nothing like what the average citizen experiences. Such disparity is but the tip of the iceberg, and only one example off the top of my head as an example of unequal protection under the law.

[tomder55]

I haven't been sniffing glue or petrol but I certainly think AOC has. What a dope, but then Tal what do you expect from these leftists, they are all hop heads

she actually graduated CumLaud from Boston U majoring in economics. I think she deserves a refund because she did not learn any economics.

I'm actually astonished at her level of ignorance. She thought that the $3 billion in tax incentives NYC was offering to Amazon would now be available for public works projects . But of course that money would not be available until Amazon was paying taxes into NYC.

She lives in this leftist fantasy that money grows on trees. Note her proposal in the GND that public banks would be available to give money away. In the FAQ section she writes :

“The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit. There is also space for the government to take an equity stake in projects to get a return on investment.”

It is typical with positions she has taken in the past when asked how her proposals like Medicare for all ,and other proposals that liberal economists estimate would cost into the $40 trillion range would be paid for; she replies ……"just pay it!"

[tomder55]

I also have to note that the level of economic understanding appears to be on low low side for people of the left. Note how often the complaint you are hearing is that the tax cuts are hurting people because they are getting less of a refund from their taxes .Well the reason you are getting less of a refund is because you had less taken out of your pay check . https://www.fool.com/taxes/2019/02/1...ult-its-y.aspx

[jlisenbe]

I also have to note that the level of economic understanding appears to be on low low side for people of the left. Note how often the complaint you are hearing is that the tax cuts are hurting people because they are getting less of a refund from their taxes .Well the reason you are getting less of a refund is because you had less taken out of your pay check

Well said and exactly true.

[talaniman]

I feel the same way about Nunes, Ryan, and McConnell, and many times worse about the dufus, so I can understand your feelings.

[tomder55]

you can make a case again Yertl and Ryan and convince me . But Nunes knows what he talks about .

[tomder55]

Over the last 50 years, there is no fresh source of energy: what we have is legacy energy.
Hydrocarbons are unrivaled, no matter the subsidies.
Wind and solar are cynical political gestures.

[talaniman]

You need to get out more.

https://ktla.com/2019/03/25/more-bad...tting-cheaper/

[jlisenbe]

I read the ridiculous link. Yeah, solar and wind are great so long as we are all prepared to spend twice as much for our electricity and do without when the wind is not blowing and the sun is not shining sufficiently to generate power. It is nonsense. I want to see what New Mexico plans to do on those nights when the wind is not blowing. Good luck with that one.

[talaniman]

I guess we will find out when New Mexico goes green just like Texas and those other states mentioned in the article. Hold on a minute... the wait is over.

https://tucson.com/news/local/tucson...f058c2977.html

You are a bit behind there guy.

[paraclete]

It is all a fallacy, the largest part of the cost of power is distribution, so whether solar or wind is cheaper is a Moote point and it is a zero sum gain due to the emissions associated with production of these technologies. Just papering over the problem.

[jlisenbe]

Hold on a minute... the wait is over.

Do you even read your links? If so, then tell me, from the article, what percentage of it's power will be "green" in the next ten years? What will they do when the wind is not blowing? What will they do at night?

the largest part of the cost of power is distribution, so whether solar or wind is cheaper is a Moote point

1. I would have to see documentation to believe that. I would think, by far, the greatest cost is fuel.
2. The cost is not the only consideration. I'll ask again. What do you do on those days when the wind is not blowing and it's cloudy? Just do without? Hardly a "moote point" or a fallacy.

[paraclete]

Do you even read your links? If so, then tell me, from the article, what percentage of it's power will be "green" in the next ten years? What will they do when the wind is not blowing? What will they do at night?

Either you are going to have massive over installation of wind or massive battery storage or nuclear or the hated coal

1. I would have to see documentation to believe that. I would think, by far, the greatest cost is fuel.
2. The cost is not the only consideration. I'll ask again. What do you do on those days when the wind is not blowing and it's cloudy? Just do without? Hardly a "moote point" or a fallacy.

You can believe what I tell you because I spent twenty years in the power industry. The greatest part of the cost is poles and wires, the distribution network, and there are significant losses in that, the power can be generated for a few cents a Kwh, but renewables are much more expensive even if the cost is coming down. Anyway you want evidence, I'm sure you have heard of Google

[jlisenbe]

For us it will be natural gas. Best of the fossil fuels and we have a lot of it.

Yeah, I've heard of Google, but no, I'm not going to try and document your point for you. At any rate, that grid is largely already in place.

[talaniman]

Makes logical sense if many states are already going green and yes that does includes the much cleaner natural gas, and closing it's coal burning power plants, they have obviously figured out how to stay warm at night and have lights. One could conclude the GND is already here and growing. Don't know how long ago you worked in the power industry Clete, but even in Australia they are moving forward.

[paraclete]

Makes logical sense if many states are already going green and yes that does includes the much cleaner natural gas, and closing it's coal burning power plants, they have obviously figured out how to stay warm at night and have lights. One could conclude the GND is already here and growing. Don't know how long ago you worked in the power industry Clete, but even in Australia they are moving forward.

Oh yes moving forward, solar massively oversold, wind farms dot the countryside in the most unlikely places and in places where they have done away with coal fired generation they have summer blackouts. It is progress. The solar feed-in tariff competes with base load for dispatch because it is cheaper, poor fools those who thought they could sell power to the grid, and Hydro is being reengineered. The only thing that has changed here is the ownership of the industry.

Wehave moved so far the government is once again going to compensate the poor for the world's highest cost of power. Thank you renewables

[jlisenbe]

It's all a fantasy world. When we can no longer borrow money, and let us hope that day comes soon, then maybe having to live within our means will demolish this dreamland liberals love to contemplate.