[NeedKarma]

As long as your country puts wealth as the ultimate prize you will always have this problem.

[tomder55]

Nope, they believe that those financial elites in the corporate world and the government have a disproportional influence on all matters that have curtailed economic mobility.

No really... they want government cheese. The moment the President began offering student loan relief ,the movement lost steam. This week was the anniversary of the movement . Where were they ? The news reported "100s" of protesters in NYC . What a joke!

[tomder55]

As long as your country puts wealth as the ultimate prize you will always have this problem.

No ,but we will continue to have this problem as long as the government decides winners and losers with tax policy ,law and, regulation .

[NeedKarma]

No ,but we will continue to have this problem as long as the government decides winners and losers with tax policy ,law and, regulation .

You realize that the problem had been getting worse during the Bush years, right? Housing bubble, McMansions, Hummers, huge line ups on Black Friday, etc. The government made them do it?

[tomder55]

Yawn... that is the final answer... Bush did it. I have not given Repubics a pass on the direction this country has taken .

[NeedKarma]

It's been going on for a while, regardless of the administration.

[paraclete]

It's the system, that marvellous capitalist system that lets the rich take from the poor

[talaniman]

It's the increasing deregulation that's been going on. More than 30 years and now there is no way the job creators who have made no jobs in America are giving up there cash cow.

Apples new phone will shift millions of dollars to its overseas subsidiary to escape paying taxes in America, after making profits in America. Does this sound like a rigged economic system or what.

That's part of the uncertainty they speak about, whether they will be forced to pay their far shares or NOT!! And make bookoo bucks still while hiding bookoo bucks.

[paraclete]

Well of course it is transfer pricing has been one of the tax evasion tools for decades and the only one's who have the ability to take advantage of it are multinationals, it should be outlawed it isn't as though the IRS don't have enough statistics on what the profit margin of certain industries is. They talk about flat tax, let's have a flat tax but on corporations as well as individuals, I bet that would get the deficit down how does 20% across the board sound?

[talaniman]

How about 40% + a 20% swindling fine. But the new trade treaties also call for reporting American business transactions through their banks to the IRS. Previously this has been a closed area between America and foreign banking entities.

And that is part of the uncertainty with the multi nationals, how much loot have they really distributed to safe hiding places around the world. That includes Mitt Romney, our other presidential candidate who has made his loot by showing others how to hide money, and take over assets of other companies, and countries.

Hard to imagine how many trillions are out there.

[paraclete]

I would say there are enough trillions squiralled away by american multinations in foreign places to repay the american debt many times over and of course Romney wants them to have the ability to squirrel more away by strengthening US trade with more trade agreements, which of course is Romneyspeak for offshore accounts and screwing anyone stupid enough to enter into one of these agreements. When I say this know that I speak of my own nation who was stupid enough to fall for it during the Bush era. I don't think I can name a single benefit it has brought us. It hasn't allowed us to sell gas to California or beef to the US, our auto industry is virtually shut out of the US. I tell you what we have; some nice kangaroo meat or crocodile meat you can't grow in the US

[talaniman]

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We have alligator meat here Clete, but do you think a President Romney would be looking for hidden loot from rich guys? I sure don't!

Of course he will hide even more.

[speechlesstx]

yawn ... that is the final answer .... Bush did it. I have not given Repubics a pass on the direction this country has taken .

And the most transparent president evah just lied and blamed Fast & Furious on Bush. Might I also add he thinks the IG report exonerates Holder and he lied about having "released almost all" of the documents.

[tomder55]

The IG testimony to the House Committee sounded to me like he came real close to accusing the White House of stone-walling the investigation and covering up the facts.

[paraclete]

Nothing like the truth is there Tom

[talaniman]

By law he couldn't release ALL the documents.

[paraclete]

Yeah we know national security and all that jazz, look it's on a need to know basis and you just don't need to know. Who knows it maybe their plan to take over Mexico by destabilising it

[talaniman]

Actually the law says ongoing investigations are not subject to public release. Its to eliminate politisizing be either party and tainting the investigations of the DOJ!

Surprisingly(?) all the subjects of Darrell Issas congressional probes have been exonerated and cleared. Maybe he would do better if his partisan witch hunts became BI partisan. Mexico has a gang problem sure enough, but is hardly destabilized.

[excon]

Hello again,

Speaking as a fellow who DOESN'T believe Fast & Furious was a conspiracy perpetrated by Obama so he could confiscate all the guns during his second term, I don't get the fascination you have with this situation... The outcome was tragic, but it was a low level operation from the git go...

Then again, if I DID believe that stuff, then it would have much broader implications, like you think it does... Does your indignation stem from that belief?

excon

[tomder55]

You sound like the Nixonians... what was the Watergate ? "third-rate burglary," ? Had the Holder Justice Dept been up front about it then perhaps it wouldn't have become the scandal it has become . Doesn't the families of Agents Brian Terry and Jaime Zapata deserve to know the truth ?