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Jul 19, 2012, 03:47 PM
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 Originally Posted by Wondergirl
And that clue is?
Whatever the far right blogs tell them it is.
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Jul 19, 2012, 05:09 PM
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So they don't have a mind of their own' this is in addition to being ignorant red necked yahoos which is in complete contrast to those mindless slogan spouting card carrying dizens of the left
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Jul 20, 2012, 02:38 AM
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 Originally Posted by paraclete
so they dont have a mind of their own' this is in addition to being ignorant red necked yahoos which is in complete contrast to those mindless slogan spouting card carrying dizens of the left
If you say so sir.
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Jul 20, 2012, 06:43 AM
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 Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Whatever the far right blogs tell them it is.
Listen here Bucko, I don't need any blog, far right or not to tell me the country is tanking. What's the unemployment rate? How long has it been that bad? Where's consumer confidence? What is our national debt? What is our deficit? When is the least time the Senate passed a budget?
We have more people going on disability than finding jobs. Retail sales have declined 3 months in a row. How is he going to fix it all, by raising taxes and having another fundraiser instead of meeting with his own jobs council. But that's what you get when you elect a community organizer with no real world experience on the basis of his potential. Romney has the experience and has proven he knows how to turn things around and make it work, and the clueless Obots are attacking him for doing just that.
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Jul 20, 2012, 06:53 AM
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Hello again, Steve:
I don't know if you saw the Romney add where this guy BOUGHT the same BS you bought. Anyway, in the add, he talked about how HE built his business, and NOBODY else did. How could that commie Obama say such a thing? You know the schtick..
But, when confronted with the TRUTH about what Obama said, turns out he agrees with him. Whatdya know about that?
Daily Kos: (VIDEO) Business Man In Romney?s Attack Ad Agrees 100% With Obama On Fox News
excon
PS> Ready to discuss some SUBSTANCE, or do you want to continue on THIS route??
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Jul 20, 2012, 07:00 AM
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 Originally Posted by Wondergirl
And that clue is?
Someone that knows how to run a business, a state, the Olympics instead of someone who knows how to run his mouth. With a teleprompter that is. Just my opinion.
Having a clue at a minimum is knowing you don't lead from behind. And you might want to avoid accusing your opponent of misquoting you by showing both guys saying the same thing.
Obama ad claims Romney misquoted him, then plays Obama saying those words
0:10— Romney: “He said this: ‘If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.’”
0:18—Text appears on the screen reading “The only problem?” followed by “That’s not what he said.”
0:39— Obama: “If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
You can't make this stuff up.
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Jul 20, 2012, 07:20 AM
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 Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Obama ad claims Romney misquoted him, then plays Obama saying those words..
You can't make this stuff up.
Hello again, Steve:
You CAN'T make this up? Dude! Bwa, ha ha ha.. That's all this thread is, is MADE UP.
Do you know the difference between misquoting and taking stuff out of context?? Are you SOO wedded to this IMPOSSIBLE position that you cannot see daylight??
It's becoming increasingly obvious that Romney is willing to plumb the depths of deceit and dishonor - something John McCain was UNWILLING to do...
Romney is a scumbag. He's drek.
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Jul 20, 2012, 07:32 AM
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 Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Romney has the experience and has proven he knows how to turn things around and make it work,
By shutting down businesses, selling assets to China and enriching his own personal wealth. That's exactly what you'll get with him. Have fun!
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Jul 20, 2012, 07:34 AM
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 Originally Posted by excon
It's becoming increasingly obvious that Romney is willing to plumb the depths of deceit and dishonor - something John McCain was UNWILLING to do...
The sad part about the last election cycle is that McCain isn't a bad guy, he has ethics and sticks to his principles... up until his handlers morphed him into something he's not during the candidate-McCain period. It was sad to see.
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Jul 20, 2012, 07:43 AM
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 Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:
I dunno if you saw the Romney add where this guy BOUGHT the same BS you bought. Anyway, in the add, he talked about how HE built his business, and NOBODY else did. How could that commie Obama say such a thing?? You know the schtick..
But, when confronted with the TRUTH about what Obama said, turns out he agrees with him. Whatdya know about that??
Daily Kos: (VIDEO) Business Man In Romney?s Attack Ad Agrees 100% With Obama On Fox News
excon
PS> Ready to discuss some SUBSTANCE, or do you wanna continue on THIS route???
Answered previously but nonetheless...
We'd all be idiots to think we haven't been shaped in part by others, but you have to look deeper into what Obama says and what he's said in the past fits in exactly with our interpretation of it. Everything from "paying your fair share" to "brother's keeper" to the contraceptive mandate and considering someone who makes their own way and pays their taxes and dues society a "freeloader" all fits in with his collective vision.
He honestly believes that the biblical principal of being one's "brother's keeper" is tied to government and not the voluntary, selfless, personal sacrifice one person makes for another. To him "society" is synonymous with "government" instead of the voluntary, personal, interactive relationships we have with others. This is why he doesn't care if the church can no longer serve people as it has for millennia, doesn't care if the church has to compromise its principles, he believes more collective good comes from government.
So yes, when he said those words meant them exactly as we've presented which is why he doth protest, he knows the average American not of his progressive base takes offense. It was a rare - and unintended I'm sure - moment of candor. But the fact is we're right and we should be offended because society is not government, government is not the genesis of entrepreneurial success, government is not our brother's keeper.
Government is a cold, heartless, necessary evil best kept in check. That used to be a point of view you expressed regularly. Well, it's something you flip flop on from day to day.
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Jul 20, 2012, 07:48 AM
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 Originally Posted by NeedKarma
By shutting down businesses, selling assets to China and enriching his own personal wealth. That's exactly what you'll get with him. have fun!
I guess you guys are just blind to what's going on now, but thankfully those "far right blogs" are doing the job the media won't do.
Romney, RNC attack crony capitalism in Obama stimulus programs
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Jul 20, 2012, 07:54 AM
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 Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:
You CAN'T make this up? Dude! Bwa, ha ha ha.. That's all this thread is, is MADE UP.
Do you know the difference between misquoting and taking stuff out of context?? Are you SOO wedded to this IMPOSSIBLE position that you cannot see daylight??
I answered this pathetic charge twice now.
It's becoming increasingly obvious that Romney is willing to plumb the depths of deceit and dishonor - something John McCain was UNWILLING to do...
Romney is a scumbag. He's drek.
But calling donors pimps and attacking your opponent's wife for riding horses as part of her MS therapy is just good, clean fun?
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Jul 20, 2012, 08:09 AM
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 Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Government is a cold, heartless, necessary evil best kept in check. That used to be a point of view you expressed regularly. Well, it's something you flip flop on from day to day.
Hello again, Steve:
Nahhh, I'm rather consistent.. Certainly, I don't support much of the COP side of government, but I'm a strong supporter of the safety net, without which, some people would be on their own. I haven't been shy about sharing my views, either. I guess you missed it.
What you also MISS, in your diatribe above, is that you're ADDRESSING somebody who is to the LEFT of president Obama. Interestingly enough, I don't support ANY of the leftist ideals you ascribe to Obama. How do you account for that?
In the REAL world, Obama has STRENGTHENED the safety net to include more people who would have been on their own without it. Beyond that, he's governed from the center.
I suggest that right wingers HATE the safety net SOOO much, that they think ANY strengthening of it, is communism run amuck.. But, my friend, those feelings stem from your IDEOLOGY, NOT Obama.. You can be cured of that.
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Jul 20, 2012, 08:32 AM
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That's the problem ex, same with Obama - a language barrier. He says brother's keeper and I understand that the traditional way, me taking of my brother. He means taking my money so he can take care of my brother.
And I love a safety net, all conservatives love a safety net, because if we can't be a brother's keeper to everyone then someone needs to do it. The church, the government someone. We just happen to KNOW the church and the private sector is infinitely more efficient with our money than the government and the safety net is to catch those who've fallen, not those who haven't.
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Jul 20, 2012, 01:33 PM
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 Originally Posted by excon
Hello again,
Let me know when you're done, so we can talk about what's REALLY happening...
Here's one... Rush Limprod believes that Hollywood CONSPIRED to name their really, really BAD guy in the new Batman movie, Bane, just so they could SMEAR Romney...
Yeah, that's a good one... It's as real as this thread.
Excon
Yeah, I guess Rush was stretching it when he suggested Dems might try to make a connection to Bane, that as Rush said that day "there are some people who think it will work."
Romney's new foe: Batman's 'Bane'
July 16, 2012
His summer's much-anticipated Hollywood blockbuster, "The Dark Knight Rises," is getting an unusual boost from Democrats and other foes of Mitt Romney who are eager to tie the Gotham crushing villain to the GOP presidential candidate. Their angle: the mask-wearing, "Venom" gas breathing bad guy has a name that sounds just like Romney's former investment firm that President Obama has been blasting as a jobs killer.
"Bane" is the terrorist in the new movie who drives the caped crusader out of semi-retirement in the final Batman movie. Democrats, who believe they have Romney on the ropes over the president's assault on his leadership at Bain Capital, said the comparisons are too rich to ignore.
"It has been observed that movies can reflect the national mood," said Democratic advisor and former Clinton aide Christopher Lehane. "Whether it is spelled Bain and being put out by the Obama campaign or Bane and being out by Hollywood, the narratives are similar: a highly intelligent villain with offshore interests and a past both are seeking to cover up who had a powerful father and is set on pillaging society," he added.
As the Friday release date has neared, liberal blogs were the first to connect Batman's toughest foe with Romney's firm.
Let's see, liberal blogs first made the connection and a Democratic advisor made the comparison the day before Rush brought it up and said "there are some people who think it will work."
Looks like Rush was right. I wonder if they'll feel any remorse for such puerile behavior in light of what happened in Colorado?
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Jul 21, 2012, 09:58 AM
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I live in Texas, and the businesses here are in the middle of no where, but they all have access to a road to somewhere. The state makes sure of that, MY tax dollars to help a business make money for someone. If you don't have a road, you submit a request to your local government before you put a business in the middle of no where. That's how its done in my part of Texas.
My confusion Speech, is you take an edited political ad seriously, and refuse to acknowledge the ORIGINAL version. Or that Romney said the same thing, almost verbatim.
Its called editing, and repubs are good at it. We are too, hehehe! But why argue over contrived assertions based on deceit when you can argue the facts?
I think the people who have 70% of the wealth should pay 70% of the burden for what we all need, don't you? Lets argue that instead of a cut up version of what a guy said.
Careful with your response because I may edit it to make sense.
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Jul 21, 2012, 10:41 AM
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They do already .A small fraction of high-income taxpayers pay the vast majority of all the taxes collected,
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Jul 21, 2012, 12:01 PM
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Face it tal .You are not interested in taxing income ;you want to tax wealth ;and your goal is NOT to fund the government as much as it is to 'level the playing field ' in the interest of 'fairness ';even as your policies hurts the econpmy.
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Jul 21, 2012, 12:05 PM
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Like what policy to be specific? Name one, so we can have a factual debate, without unfounded assertions, from broad based FEAR.
Oh wait, never mind. You still believe that the ones who were bailed out and still profit from the start of the recession, and have shipped jobs overseas for 30 years should have even more money.
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