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speechlesstx · Jul 10, 2009, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by excon

You'll have to forgive me, but I don't believe that. You'll have to direct me to a person, ANY PERSON, whether he be a member of the ACLU, the American Socialist Party, or Planned Parenthood, who thinks kids SHOULD screw.

I have documented this many times ex. Of course they aren't going to come right out and say "we think kids SHOULD screw" in so many words, they use noble sounding terms like "youth empowerment" (pdf), "enhance understanding of sexuality" and "reproductive health." Then they teach them all the ins and outs (pun intended) of sex in ANY form they want. They not only think kids SHOULD screw, they think kids should be able to bypass their parents (and the law) to have abortions if they want one.

You may not believe kids should screw but PP definitely does.

spitvenom · Jul 10, 2009, 07:26 AM

Sex isn't rocket science. If I guy and a girl are together and his and her "special purpose" feel tingly they are going to figure it out eventually. I wasn't twelve when I had my first sex class cause I went to a repressive catholic school. But I was 12 the first time I had sex. No one ever talked to me about sex before then. Or a few years after.

I think I was a sophomore or JR in high school for my first sex ed class, basically showing the inner working of male and female reproductive organs. Talked about STD's and pregnancy. Talked about having safe sex and how abstinence is the only way that works 100%.

Speech I clicked that teach them link and to be honest all the questions on there are almost the same questions my 15 and 16 year old guys cousins asked me. I asked them if they ever talked to their dads about this and they were just said no they couldn't talk to them about this. After we talked I went right to their dads and let them know, you would have thought I just pardoned them from death row. My cousins are now 18 and 19 0 kids 0 abortions!!

speechlesstx · Jul 10, 2009, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by spitvenom

Sex isn't rocket science. If I guy and a girl are together and his and her "special purpose" feel tingly...

LOL, I haven't heard that term in forever. Let's just let them watch "The Jerk" instead of sex ed classes.

Speech I clicked that teach them link and to be honest all the questions on there are almost the same questions my 15 and 16 year old guys cousins asked me. I asked them if they ever talked to their dads about this and they were just said no they couldn't talk to them about this. After we talked I went right to their dads and let them know, you would have thought I just pardoned them from death row. My cousins are now 18 and 19 0 kids 0 abortions!!

You know Spit, it may come as a shock to some of these people here but I was a kid, too and I understand. I can agree that parents often do a poor job of communicating with their kids, especially on sex. So wouldn't it be more prudent to spend more time and resources on 'empowering' parents and encouraging them to talk to their children than just trying to take over for parents? I mean seriously, a 6-year-old can access PP's teen site and why on earth should they be faced with "All About the Anus?"

spitvenom · Jul 10, 2009, 07:55 AM

I hoped someone picked up on the "The Jerk" reference!!

You are right kids can but it is uo to the parents to block that stuff. I don't look at it as taking over for the parents. I look at it as a back up for parents too afraid to talk about stuff. But I do agree all about the Anus is a bit much.

ETWolverine · Jul 10, 2009, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, El:

I was about to post that I agree with both Steve and Skell that sex education should be about the parts, and not how, when, or even IF the parts should be used.

You, and the Woverine apparently believe that sex education not only tells kids about their parts, but ENCOURAGES them to use 'em.

You'll have to forgive me, but I don't believe that. You'll have to direct me to a person, ANY PERSON, whether he be a member of the ACLU, the American Socialist Party, or Planned Parenthood, who thinks kids SHOULD screw.

You can not believe it all you want. It doesn't change the facts. If sex ed is teaching 5-year-olds massage, then there is a problem with sex ed. I have no problem with a bio class that teaches about the sexual organs and human gestation, as I said. But teaching 5-year-olds how to touch each other... do you agree with such a curriculum?

I know you have a screwed view of the left, but screwing isn't something we think kids should do. Hard to believe, isn't it?

Excon

I don't think that the people on the left want kids to be having sex. However, in their attempts to avoid the problems of kids having sex, they are Inadvertently (at least in most cases) accomplishing the exact opposite of their goal. Mum2five's post is a perfect example of that. In their efforts to teach kids to be able to "say no" to sexual touching, which was the goal of the lesson, they are actually teaching kids massage, which if taken too much farther is a form of sexual touching. Massage is, in fact, one of the more commonly used forms of foreplay.

Believe it or not, I don't question the intentions of sex ed supporters. I just question their methods and whether they work. As far as Planned Parenthood is concerned, I do indeed question their motives and intentions. But that is a topic for another day. But the average supporter of sex ed.. I don't question their intent. Just their methods.

Elliot

speechlesstx · Jul 10, 2009, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by spitvenom

I hoped someone picked up on the "The Jerk" reference!!!!!

You are right kids can but it is uo to the parents to block that stuff. I don't look at it as taking over for the parents. I look at it as a back up for parents too afraid to talk about stuff. But I do agree all about the Anus is a bit much.

The parents should also be able to decide if they want PP to be the backup. PP and too many schools don't care what the parents want.

spitvenom · Jul 10, 2009, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

The parents should also be able to decide if they want PP to be the backup. PP and too many schools don't care what the parents want.

I agree with that the parents should pick the back up. But I guess most of them aren't picking a back up I don't know. Around me PP was just the building the girls went to to get check ups if they didn't have insurance or if a guy got an STD they would go there or if I girl wanted an abortion. Do they go out and talk to kids or do kids have to go to them (website or inperson). I never talked to single person from PP.

speechlesstx · Jul 10, 2009, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by spitvenom

Do they go out and talk to kids or do kids have to go to them (website or inperson). I never talked to single person from PP.

It just depends on the location and such, but they do both. They also provide, sponsor and suggest curriculum. They are the single most active player in this, and that's what bothers me knowing their positions, agenda and behavior.

jenniepepsi · Jul 10, 2009, 11:40 AM

Out of curiosity, why would a 5 or 6 year old be on the computer in the first place? The only time my 5 year old is on the computer is sitting with me while on disney.com

ETWolverine · Jul 10, 2009, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by jenniepepsi

out of curiosity, why would a 5 or 6 year old be on the computer in the first place? the only time my 5 year old is on the computer is sitting with me while on disney.com

Excellent question. And why should a 5 year old be learning massage?

Elliot

spitvenom · Jul 10, 2009, 11:49 AM

I can understand teaching good touch and bad touch but was the massage part really necessary.

mum2five · Jul 10, 2009, 01:58 PM

Why would a 5 /6 year old be on a computer ?

Well my three kiddies 5/6 and 10 all use the computer to complete the awards they are given by their school.

They all have a username and password and there is a website where they go to complete extra homework i.e. they work towards awards and are rewarded.
So the school encourages 5/6 year olds to use the computer.

inthebox · Jul 11, 2009, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Or does it? Yeah I'm daring to go there again...

Let's see, teach kids about sex and hand them condoms and teen pregnancies more than double. Who'd a thunk it? Maybe Texas was right to drop the state's health education requirement.

Your turn...

Maybe the reason sex education does not work is simply biological?

Like it or not after puberty, teens can have and want to have sex. Simple biolgical / hormonal drive amped up by our oversexualized media. A generation or 2 or 3 folks got married and started having kids in their teens. I don't think any amount of "education" is going to alter the biological drive.

It would be interesting to survey those teens who had sex education AND who became pregnant, or got someone pregnant and ask them, WHY?

Is it gov benefits? For the males, what is the chance of having to pay child support? Especially if you have not graduated high school and have no job? There is no consequence for these guys. Do these kids have a future? College, a professional career- something in the future to work for, aim for? I know for myself, I could not go through 20 years of schooling if I had a kid as an 18 year old - how many of these teens have future goals? How much does drug and or alcohol use influence the incidence of unprotected sex?

There are so many factors other than sex education that play a role in teen pregnancy.
Until we find out the whys and address those issues, then neither sex education nor "just say no" or "wait till marriage" will work at reducing teen pregnancy.

G&P

N0help4u · Jul 11, 2009, 08:10 PM

I think you are right inthebox and I also believe a major part is because they are so flooded with the idea from everywhere that they believe they are not normal if they are a virgin at 16.
Kids ask here all the time what is wrong with them that they haven't had sex yet.

Wondergirl · Jul 11, 2009, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by inthebox

Maybe the reason sex education does not work is simply biological?

It would be interesting to survey those teens who had sex education AND who became pregnant, or got someone pregnant and ask them, WHY?

I'm guessing first of all, no one thinks pregnancy is going to happen. Secondly, they don't think that far -- instant gratification, go for the moment, and to hell with anything else. (Studies have been done on this.) Thirdly, like smoking and drinking, sex is supposedly a "right of passage" into adulthood, or at least to make one look like and think he/she is an adult. Fourthly, the media, especially movies and TV, say to please yourself and to have sex, and magazines like Cosmo even give hints and helps on the how-to part of the deal. Fifthly, Internet is full of anything sexual--tips, techniques, porn, graphics. Sixthly, no one in authority is telling kids not to have sex, and, even if they did, authority figures mean very little to kids in 2009.

N0help4u · Jul 11, 2009, 08:25 PM

Exactly wondergirl BUT it is alarming how many teenage girls actually do it with all intentions of wanting to have a baby.
The boys of course do think it won't happen and nobody is telling them that it CAN happen to them and then they are in for the long haul of child support payments.

excon · Jul 11, 2009, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by inthebox

Maybe the reason sex education does not work is simply biological

Hello in:

Where, besides your church, did you learn that sex education doesn't work?? It works just fine. Could it work better? Sure.

excon

N0help4u · Jul 11, 2009, 08:29 PM

Yeah it could work better by actually teaching kids responsibilities rather than if it feels good its your body. The rate of teenage pregnancies is result enough to show that it isn't working as is.

Wondergirl · Jul 11, 2009, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by N0help4u

Exactly wondergirl BUT it is alarming how many teenage girls actually do it with all intentions of wanting to have a baby.

Their "rite of passage" into adulthood plus "someone who will love me"

Wondergirl · Jul 11, 2009, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello in:

Where, besides your church, did you learn that sex education doesn't work???? It works just fine. Could it work better? Sure.

excon

Went to Lutheran school from grade 5-8, and sex was never mentioned. In church youth group (teens), sex was never mentioned. Parents didn't talk about it either. The only word about it was "Don't" and we weren't sure what we weren't supposed to not do.