[SHAHRAZAD]

That is not the point, I think it is childish to go off topic to find something you can relate to, because you do not have a point or this the only thing you can talk about to find unrelated flaws , and if I made a mistake, I do not have a point? and by that all those other nations who do not speak english they do not have points and do not have a right to have their opinion heard? See the big pic, I think only kids would do that and why would you think am angery if you read my posts you would understand am not mad at any one I just want the world to be peacful and for you and come and mock whatever you relate to is weak, I am not trying to offend any one but you take it personally and I started thinking we will never have peace just from the a few persons who are missing the point here and just want to argue just to be right and have no idea how they can contribute evey body is responsible for world peace every body is affected and every body opinion counts, nations are individuals, just see the big pic and just ignore me as a person it has nothing to do with me persnally for you to say whatever you think is pleasing you at the moment and not related would not change that what is going on, I am only want people to know that every bosy counts, people can change regimes if they take it seriously and fairly

U just proved what adiket( I think, the gentleman who started the thread) said

[Curlyben]

Shahrazad,
Two things;
1/ I'm NOT American or even a resident of that continent
2/ Please pay attention to my position on this site, it's written under my name.

The use of simple sentences makes your diatribes easier to read for everyone.

[valinors_sorrow]

Didn't Forrest say gibberish is as gibberish does?

[SHAHRAZAD]

Cyber I does not matter if you are american or not I do not hate individual americans I have been their many times and I think they are very nice but I thought what I was saying was clear and val what are you talking about do you know what I am saying? Attack in any way will not solve any thing but openness will , and for every one here missing my point and divert to other things in my post irrelevant that shows that there is no point in talking about understanding other nations and even radical americans you will call them traitors, I guess I am done here and I hoped every body would get what was trying to say here and advocate peace bigotry will not do that

[J_9]

I think many beauty queens have been hoping for World Peace for a long time. However, I learned one time, Philosophy I think it was that a utopian society is not possible and can even be more dedstructive to the human being as a whole.

[ScottGem]

but i thought what i was saying was clear

Four people have now said that your ranting is NOT very clear. Maybe it's a language issue, maybe its your use of Internet shorthand and lack of use of a spellcheck. But your post are not very coherent or clear.

attack in any way will not solve any thing but openness will ,

So practice what you preach. Try being open to what other people are telling you instead of continuing to spout the same tired propaganda.

that shows that there is no point in talking about understanding other nations and even radical americans u will call them traitors, i guess i am done here and i hoped every body would get what was trying to say here and advocate peace bigotry will not do that

The irony here is that YOU are the one promoting bigotry not peace by your spouting generalizations and propaganda, instead of trying to learn from people with real knowledge and experience.

i guess u donot have a clue and i think u r right wing because u refuse to know the negative

Who are ypou responding to? Couldn't be me since I am no where near the right. How do you know I haven't had first hand contact with the people you state have been wronged? You continue to ignore everything I have said about understanding and acknowledging the wrongs that Americans have done.

I have answered most of your diatribes point by point. You, on the other hand, dodge most of the counterpoints I've tried to make.

You refer to martial law, what about it? Most countries have rules allowing for martial law. Most of the rare occasions martial law is invoked in the US its because of natural disasters. What about the illuminati? They are an anti-Christian group that originated in Europe!

All you have accomplished with diatribes like that is to show people who really know the facts that YOU don't.

[SHAHRAZAD]

Language is not the issue here or spelling check if this is the issue all those leaders who does not speak good english would not make their point across, there are other language and people still manage to understand each other politically and I just want to say, that val and j9 I really liked your advises on other posts I got good advises, I know I am not a good typist and I do not like to proof read what I typed but I still can, can't I and I understandable? How I am a bigot if all I want from you is just take a look at different perspectives and all you want to know and believe is your info which you got from where? from someone like u

[J_9]

i know i am not a good typist and i do not like to proof read what i typed but i still can, can't i and i understandable?

I am sorry, but it is not "understandable."

As a proof reader for many years, I have come to learn that a comma in the wrong place can change the entire meaning of the subject. If you intend to get your point across it is best that you do use the spell check as well as trying to stay away from your method of "shorthand."

Maybe that is one of the reasons everyone is taking what you said in a way that you may not have meant.

[ScottGem]

You're right language is not the issue, unless you make it one. But your disjointed diatribes HAVE made it part of the issue, since it has become increasing difficult to decipher what you are saying.

The reason you appear to be bigitted is not because you are trying to get us to see different perspectives, but because you refuse to do the same. Through this whole exchange, you have steadfastly stuck to the same line, despite points made to the contrary that you have refused to deal with, besides rants that are out of left field with little fact to back them up.

Looking at things from different perspectives is a two way street. If you ask us to do so, then you need to do so too.

[SHAHRAZAD]

You are right I have one line and you know what that is? And I think this one line is every thing

j9 sorry I meant (I think it is understandable), I missed (I think) but a lot of people in other threads make spelling mistake when they ask for different kind of advises and no body get on their throat and you all understand what they trying to say not every body is a good typist or a good speller why is it here instead of doing the same on other post you pick on things are not related, why can't u be consistent? I am sure what I was saying was clear because how could you answer if it was not?

[J_9]

Well, I do not really understand. I have to read through all of the rhetoric. If you "know" me, I am in the medical field, so I read the medical "terms" rather than the whole paragraph.

But what I have seen so many say to you and others on this thread is that they are having a hard time reading your internet speech, I don't mean to steal that from ScottGem, but he is right.

Correct use of punctuation and capitalization make your statements much clearer.

Politically and legally incorrect use of grammar can cause an idea turn into something that you do not mean to say.

For this thread it would be easier on the eye of the reader to use the word "you" rather than the letter u, the same with "are" instead of r.

And not to be mistaken, but those of us here, ScottGem and others (I hope) will agree that we ask to type not in internet "shorthand" but in real words so that your point will get across in the exact meaning intended.

[valinors_sorrow]

I pick on everyone's chat-speak style when I run into it and I have seen many others complain of long diffficult-to-read posts, not just with you, with plenty of others too. So there goes that theory... LOL

[talaniman]

1. What part of the world are you from?
2. What are your specific gripes with America?
3. How can you bring about world peace?
4. Can you answer questions that are simply put?
5. How can we understand you?
6. Are you on medication or alcoholic beverage (seriously)?
7. What is your real point?
8. Do you have any learning disabilities?
I only ask these question to find out why I can't understand your points that you make or anything else you've posted, Sorry please clarify.

[SHAHRAZAD]

That is funny, and I do not think you will understand because it was very simple what I was saying

[valinors_sorrow]

Try answering those questions in plain english, if you dare. LOL
I think to hide behind the notion that we won't understand is a cowardly way to chicken out.

Its either that or here's another one thriving on any attention it can get... :eek:

[ScottGem]

that is funny, and i do not think u will understand because it was very simple what i was saying

Ok, what you appear to be saying is that Americans, for the most part, don't understand how they are perceived in the world at large. That Americans should try to see how other peoples feel about them. You are also saying that America is hated in other parts of the world because of some (unclearly stated) wrongs we have (allegedly) committed.

Do I have that right?

If so, I say to you (again) that I (for one) acknowledge that several countries do hate us. I also acknowledge that we have made foreign policy mistakes that have resulted in that hatred. I also acknolwedge, that Americans can be arrogant and overbearing in their dealings with other peoples.

But, I also say that is a one sided argument. Though it contains many truths its not the whole truth. And until you do what you ask us to do (look at things from both sides)m then your point is going to be swallowed by your narrow mindedness and bigotry.

[talaniman]

Try answering those questions in plain english, if you dare. LOL
I think to hide behind the notion that we won't understand is a cowardly way to chicken out.

Its either that or here's another one thriving on any attention it can get.... :eek:

My sentiments exactly... :eek: :eek:

[SHAHRAZAD]

Scott I thought your are not an american, but any way I am glad you got some of what I said whatever you said about how americans are preceived around the world is just translated in this forum, I felt I was repeating myself many time just to say one thing because you refuse to hear any thing negatvie about america or even admit it for the fear of being not patriatic , I finally getting my point acroos and talaman why would I seek attention while I am not even visible? All I wanted to say was said and I hope all the people see things differently and fairy so we can have some kind of peace I know like j9 said it may be impossible but at least we try and I think the people make it impossible, peace

Oh that was val who said I like attention, any way I hate to say it but (typical)the arrogance just translated here and what questions are you say that I have to answer, these naïve questions, if I was those things you think this the point. You can make up your opinion about me of being drunk or whatever but still I find asking someone these question you know no body is answering is kind of simple minded, and you think you are mocking me actually you are doing exactly the reverse , because I want you all to see the big pic, be fair, know that every body counts in world peace and contribute u trying to mock, I do not get humiliated ( it is not personal people), and if you think I am drunk, some drunks see one thing clear that you the sober one can nitor do not want, lol. Let me ask you a question , asking you to be fair and learn about other nations and how american policy affected them and world peace not just for america because any thing is connected is that drunkenness or whatever else talaman said.

[valinors_sorrow]

I give up. LOL

[J_9]

Shahrazad,

It is not the "people" that makes world peace impossible, it is human nature. There is no way that we can ever get as many people who are in the world to agree on one idea or another. This is a statistical impossibility.

That is why we must agree to disagree. I like that you agree with me, but there are so many people here who have either directly, or indrectly, experienced September 11, 2001, and we all have our viewpoints. That is why we must agree to disagree.

Also, I do not directly agree with your viewpoint. There we go again with how it is impossible to get everyone to agree.

There is no way to get a World "Group Hug" Everyone has a different opinion. If you want WORLD PEACE, understand that everyone has their OWN OPINIONS and we may not agree with that.