[fredg]

Hi,
Good answer in the previous answer.
Why get elected a second term? He was riding much higher; with many political "promises" of better things to come, and there wasn't a Democratic candidate who could have beat him.

[talaniman]

Scot, you hit the nail on the head! If the war in Iraq had not been going on some of his other policy would have come under closer scrutiny and in my opinion exposed his lack of a domestic policy and his pandering to interest groups with his energy bill. Would his ratings been so high without the war? I doubt it!:cool: :mad:

[ScottGem]

Scot, you hit the nail on the head! If the war in Iraq had not been going on some of his other policy would have come under closer scrutiny and in my opinion exposed his lack of a domestic policy and his pandering to interest groups with his energy bill. Would his ratings been so high without the war? I doubt it!:cool: :mad:

Which begs the question. Was one of the reasons the war was started, especially when it was, to provide impetus to his re-election?

[talaniman]

I have no proof to offer,but I do know he was very aware his father was a one term president and he didn't want to repeat the legacy, also he knew the war would lead us to be in Iraq for years but I have no solid proof to say this was part of an "agenda". But I also have no proof that GWB is not the anti-christ either! I do know that a lot of fat cats are getting very rich because of this war! That's a fact!:cool: :mad:

[Starman]

[QUOTE=ScottGem]That's a very good question. Its got no cut and dried answer. But there are several factors involved.

One reason is the American party system. Many people (on both sides) vote blindly along party lines. Another reason was the lack of a strong opposition candidate. Bush was also still riding the 9/11 tragedy. QUOTE]

Voting blindly along party lines and riding high on 9/11. That's a good explanation. Thanks for the response. About the illogical nature of voters, that's the main reason why Socrates was against democracies both direct and representational. Man primarily reasoning justify his decisions based on emotion.

[magprob]

WE WILL KNOW FOR SURE IN 2008

It was the mysterious, self-proclaimed Internet prophet John Titor, I believe, who warned us in 2001 that "2008 was when we all realized that the America we thought we were living in was gone forever" or something to that effect. Whether there was anything to the whole bizarre Titor saga, he may have been right about 2008. What happens in 2008 in America? Or rather what is scheduled to occur in America in 2008, just like it is scheduled to occur every four years?

Yes, the presidential election. The very centerpiece of our entire democracy.

And who is widely held to have stolen the last two elections via election fraud? Of course, GW Bush.

But it's a little harder to steal an election when you're not legally allowed to be on the ballot, so if GW wants to keep his power in 2008 he'll have to come up with something a little more drastic, some whole new way to hold the American Presidency. He might try to simply have the laws changed so he could legally run for a third term, and in fact he already has his people working on that, but I don't for a moment believe that he views this as his only path to retaining power. There is nothing in the prophecies to suggest that the Antichrist will be at the mercy of public opinion; he is presented there more as possessing absolute power than as as just having remarkable popularity. Bush could easily retain control of the government for a third term through a military coup if another "emergency" occurred and he had an arguable reason to declare martial law. He wouldn't need to convince everyone that he had the right to take such a step, nor even a majority of the population. All he would need would be plausible deniability of any premeditated intent to circumvent the election laws, and any number of national crises would provide that shelter for him.

Would he really dare do something like that? Bush's popularity has already had very little to do with how long he stays in office. He stole his first Presidential election, then orchestrated a national disaster to supplement his powers, and then stole his second election to keep those powers. Why should we think he will suddenly decide to start playing by the rules in 2008?

If he is the Antichrist, stealing a third term will be the single most predictable move he will make in his entire career.

And then we will know.

Peter Novak

"Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ [... ]
That day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first,
And the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
Who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship,
So that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.[... ]
And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time.
For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work.
Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.
And then the lawless one will be revealed."
- 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8

[31pumpkin]

I think if people cared more about today and the immediate future they would be better off!

I also think Bush has a real SH - - job... but somebody's got to do it!

[Starman]

Has Bush ever denied Christ?

[magprob]

"And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time.
For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work."
:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Starman]

"And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work."
:eek: :eek: :eek:

I understand the lawlessness referred to in this scripture as the slow development of the apostasy during the first century and the man referred to is a composite or a type and not an individual. Of course opinions differ on this and others prefer to understand the man of lawlessness as one person. In any case, assuming that the scripture refers to one person, why choose Bush? That's my question to you.

[magprob]

I refur to Dubya as the figure head or puppet that is doing the bidding of the main body of the secret movement that is going against the law of human rights to reach an end that seems to be known only to them... and a few outsiders. The civil rights and basic protections of Americans and Europeans in free countries, and other countries where those tenicles reach, are being shuffled like a deck of cards in preparation for a "new deal". I am very happy with the U.S. Constitution and I consider it the "LAW." This force or hidden movement does not and they are breaking the law in their quest to gain control of the masses. Thus, lawlessness on a massive scale. Bush (Dubya) could not pull it off on his own as I think we all agree!

[NeedKarma]

Maybe it's his membership with Skull & Bones Society?

[31pumpkin]

That was very interesting N.K.. . I have a dumb question though...

Did G.W. graduate from a law school? The article notes him grad. From Yale but being rejected from another law school. So did he just go onto business/politics after Yale? :confused:

[mr.yet]

Endgame for the Constitution

PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS | May 3 2006

The Bush administration has done more damage to Americans and more harm
To America's reputation than any other administration in history. Yet,
A majority of Republicans still support Bush. This tells much about
Blind party loyalty.

By encouraging the move offshore of American jobs and manufacturing,
Bush has run up tremendous trade deficits that have undermined the
World's confidence in the dollar as the reserve currency. Recently,
Both Chinese and Russian government officials warned of the dollar's
Shaky status. The fall in confidence in the dollar is evidenced by the
Sharp run-up in the price of gold. In January 2001 the price of gold
Was about $240 per ounce. Today the price is $660 per ounce.

The price of gasoline has risen from around $1.30 per gallon to over
$3.00 per gallon. Obviously, Bush's war in the Middle East did not
Ensure the oil supply.

On Bush's watch, three million US manufacturing jobs have disappeared.
Tens of thousands of highly qualified US engineers have lost their
Employment. US job growth has fallen six to seven million jobs behind
Population growth. Recent college graduates are employed as waitresses
And bartenders.

Illegal immigration has continued to explode. While Bush spends $1
Trillion and many lives trying to control borders in the MIddle East,
America's borders remain undefended and over run. Bush advocates
Amnesty for the illegals who have invaded America while Bush invades
Distant countries.

On false pretenses Bush invaded Iraq, a country that comprised no
Threat to America. American high explosives have devastated Iraq and
Its infrastructure and killed at least 100,000 Iraqi civilians, people
Who Bush claims to be bringing freedom and democracy.

All stability has disappeared from Iraq. Iraqis now live in fear of one
Another as well as fear of American troops. On April 28 Iraqi vice
President Adil Abdul-Mahdi said that 100,000 Iraqi families have been
Uprooted by the sectarian violence unleashed by Bush's overthrow of
Saddam Hussein.

Not content with the uncontrollable mayhem he has brought to Iraq, Bush
Hopes to expand the catastrophe by attacking Iran. The US Secretary of
State, sounding like the warmonger she is, says the US may ignore the
United Nations and attack Iran on its own initiative. This would be the
Second time that the Bush administration initiated wars of
Aggression--war crimes under the Nuremberg standard established by the
US.

Bush claims that he is higher authority than both US law and
International law. In the past, US presidents vetoed laws with which
They disagreed. Bush signs the laws and ignores them.

Bush has declared himself to be the sole judge of the limits of his
Powers--a claim that violates Bush's oath of office to uphold the US
Constitution. Bush has set aside the Bill of Rights by detaining people
Indefinitely without charges, by kidnapping and torturing people, and
By spying on Americans without warrants. These are actions that are
Illegal under law as well as unconstitutional. All of these violations
Of law and the Constitution are serious impeachable offenses.

Yet. Congress is supine as the Bush regime exercises dictatorial
Powers. The exercise of these dictatorial powers by the executive is a
Far greater danger to American liberty than are Muslim terrorists.

Bush's apologists claim that only terrorists have anything to fear.
However, unaccountable executive power is inconsistent with free
Societies. America is no exception. Unless Bush is impeached and turned
Over to the war crimes court in the Hague, Americans will never reclaim
Their liberties from an executive branch that has established itself as
The sole judge of the limits of its powers.

As Jacob Hornberger, president of the Future of Freedom Foundation
Wrote last month, "we now live in a nation in which the president has
the omnipotent power to ignore all constitutional restraints on his
power." Bruce Fein, a Justice Department official in the Reagan
Administration said that Bush "is moving us toward an unlimited
executive power."

The Bush regime's practice of excessive secrecy and denial of
Information to Congress allows the regime to avoid judicial review of
Its power claims. Bush ignores Congress and evades the courts.

When President Richard Nixon made excessive claims for presidential
Powers, principled Republicans revolted and helped to bring down Nixon.
Today's Republicans are loyal only to power. They have no principles.
By supporting Bush, Republicans are bringing down

[Cgirl]

People look at Bush’s invasion of Iraq and see a miserable failure. But a failure to do what? Democratize Iraq? Eliminate Iraq’s WMD arsenal? Reduce global terrorism? If those were, in fact, the reasons for invading Iraq, then the invasion would have to be classified as a failure. But what if the real reason was to secure Iraq’s oil supplies, perhaps not for immediate use, and perhaps not even for use by the United States? Then the invasion of Iraq would have to be judged a success, a “mission accomplished,” so to speak.Or take Bush’s seemingly irresponsible handling of the domestic economy. How can any sane person fail to understand that cutting revenue while increasing spending will produce deficits, and that those deficits cannot increase in perpetuity? Sooner or later that accumulated debt has got to have consequences. Bush appears to be acting as if there were no tomorrow.
Link :Questions & Thoughts

[Cgirl]

And the Oscar goes to:

[31pumpkin]

While I can't deny some of the "beefs" we have against Bush- the question still asks "is he the antichrist?"

The issues you raise are more of a political one. Republicans always benefit the rich, and Democrats benefit the less rich.

Now a little story, por favor. When my daughter heard that I didn't vote in 2004, she ( a grad student) said quite"dramatically"- "How could you not vote for Kerry? Bush is the "Demon seed!". Oh forget about it. First of all, "Don't be saying things like that about him. He is a Christian man. A you, dear daughter, shouldn't be talking like that! You are a born-again Christian. So cool it! "
I keep in mind that she has friends and some of those friends like to say things b/c they are cool. Yeah, so cool? Like how cool it is to have the next diagnosed mental illness and take Prozac for? Oh how cool is that. This one or that one saying that they think that one has a Borderline personality disorder?

I think some of them have too much money or time on their hands b/c - I don't want to put anything really in her mind but- Is this "troubled" friend cutting their f------ arms up? I don't think so!

So now we have Bush- a Republican. He's helping the businesses' bottom line, but not the workers' paychecks.

So, where's the Democrat? Or Independent?

For the time being, we should pray for those in authority and our country. The Bible says- BLESSED are the PEACEMAKERS-- not the PEACEKEEPERS... there is a big difference.

And what's happening from what I read -- that in the job that Bush has to do... that PEACE is a PROCESS!

God BLESS! :rolleyes:

[talaniman]

The American voters have to accept some of the responsibility for electing some of the duffess characters to represent us so hopefully the next elections will bring about enough change so we don't have to worry if the Antichrist is our president or not!:cool: :eek:

[J_9]

AMEN ScottGem!

And as for Katrina, yea, now Bush has his tail between his legs and is fixing things now, but TO LITTLE TOO LATE. What about all of the poverty that was ignored before Katrina happened? What about all of the people that were forgotten when Katrina struck? THe Levie's would have held up better if they had been updated to begin with, and not after the fact. No, this is not all Bush's fault, but once again, it just goes to show you that he should worry about what is happening here in the US, and not what is good for his pocketbook. Period.

OMG, I cannot believe you are blaming the poverty in New Orleans and Katrina on Bush, apparently you have nothing better to do!! Poverty exists all over this country, it is not the president's fault no matter who the president is. If you do not like the poverty, then start giving out money and letting people stay in your house. Those people were not forgotten, the CHOSE not to leave New Orleans. And, please do not tell me you are blaming the levies on Bush!! Why didn't Clitoris, sorry Clinton fix them?

He is not worrying about his pocketbook he is worrying about the country. Go to WAR, kill those people before they kill my 4 year old!! Did we have a choice with the planes flying into the WTC? H** NO!!

At least this man is doing the job he was elected to do!! He is not in the Oval Office getting his you-know-what sucked off!! That is the man that wanted only for his pocketbook and his penis!!

[J_9]

Anyone thinks they can do a better job under the circumstances then you run for office!! How many of you voted? If you did not vote you have no right to criticise!!