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    #941

    Jul 30, 2013, 09:31 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    G'morning, Steve:

    My first reaction to more people in prison is that they're imprisoning more non violent drug offenders... While that's TRUE, they're also putting more bad guys in there too.

    So, the answer to the crime rate going down is putting the RIGHT people in prison...

    But, in the main, I agree with you. If a law is WORKING, why would we want to change it? Similarly, I didn't understand why, if the Voting Rights Act is WORKING, we would want to change it..

    Kinda stupid, huh?

    excon

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc-Pd8wVPWs
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    #942

    Jul 30, 2013, 01:26 PM
    It's come to this...

    Gov't Knows Best? White House creates 'nudge squad' to shape behavior

    Terrific.
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    #943

    Jul 31, 2013, 02:38 PM
    It's come to this for the game no one cares about...

    The NFL is overhauling the Pro Bowl, eliminating the AFC-NFC format in favor of captains picking 43 players per team regardless of conference.

    In addition, kickoffs will be eliminated from the game as a safety measure, one of several changes to the game. A coin toss will determine which squad gets the game's opening possession. The ball will be placed at the 25-yard line at the start of the game and after scoring plays. Since there will be no kickoffs, the kick-return specialist Pro Bowl roster spot will be replaced with an additional defensive back spot.

    The loss of a kick returner Pro Bowl spot angered Oakland Raiders returner Josh Cribbs, who said in a link from his twitter page that the game was now "tainted." He followed that up with another tweet.

    Voting for the game also will be changed, as conference affiliation no longer will be considered in determining the All-Star selections. The two leading vote-getters will be named captains and will be assisted by Hall of Famers Jerry Rice and Deion Sanders and two NFL.com fantasy football champions in picking the two teams.
    I think maybe Barry Switzer had the right idea about the game back in '95...

    "It was a three-hot-dog ballgame," he said. "I watched on the big screen with the cool mist sprayer on me."
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    Jul 31, 2013, 02:52 PM
    I like to see which player has some real or imagined gripe and goes all out while every other player is dogging it... normally that is the player who ends up as MVP of the game...
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    #945

    Jul 31, 2013, 03:01 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
    ( C.S. Lewis)
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    #946

    Jul 31, 2013, 03:47 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I like to see which player has some real or imagined gripe and goes all out while every other player is dogging it ... normally that is the player who ends up as MVP of the game....
    I can't even remember the last time I watched, I think it was the Switzer hot dog game.
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    #947

    Jul 31, 2013, 03:48 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
    ( C.S. Lewis)
    That is profound, and an exact description of the current administration.
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    #948

    Jul 31, 2013, 04:28 PM
    In the good ole days of the cold war the soviet system used to call places where "Behavioral Insights Teams" work, "re-education camps".
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    Jul 31, 2013, 06:05 PM
    Strange I thought they called it Siberia
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    #950

    Aug 1, 2013, 06:48 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    in the good ole days of the cold war the soviet system used to call places where "Behavioral Insights Teams" work, "re-education camps".
    Coming soon to a neighborhood near you, Moral Statute Machines.

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    #951

    Aug 1, 2013, 07:05 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Coming soon to a neighborhood near you, Moral Statute Machines.

    They are already here, they are called conservatives. They're just saving us from ourselves.
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    #952

    Aug 1, 2013, 07:14 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    They are already here, they are called conservatives. They're just saving us from ourselves.
    Uh, coming from the guys who never saw a regulation they didn't love (unless it comes to protecting women from butchers), thinks we want to throw everyone to the wolves and is now foisting a "nudge squad" on us that's quite a statement.
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    #953

    Aug 1, 2013, 08:24 AM
    It's come to this... yesterday I downloaded a free interview of the emperor on my Kindle... Today I found out that Amazon had to pay for the privilege of conducting the interview ,and has other business relationships with the emperor .

    Amazon employees gave Obama $116,000 before exclusive interview - NYPOST.com
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    #954

    Aug 1, 2013, 08:32 AM
    Hello again, tom:

    So, way back in '12, when he was running for president, some Amazon employees contributed to his campaign, and you say they're connected...

    Well, I suppose they are, in that, he's not going to give Halliburton an exclusive interview. Why SHOULDN'T he visit friendly places?

    I'm not surprised you call it paying for an interview... Still looking for some corruption, huh? Why don't you try over there??

    excon
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    #955

    Aug 1, 2013, 08:36 AM
    Sigh, at least it got panned.
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    #956

    Aug 1, 2013, 09:09 AM
    Actually I figured they did it because Amazon didn't want an IRS audit.
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    #957

    Aug 1, 2013, 09:36 AM
    Thank goodness they got the little b@stard...

    Armed agents raid animal shelter for baby deer

    KENOSHA, Wis. —WISN 12 News investigates an operation raising questions about the use of government resources and the state policy that meant a death sentence for a fawn.

    "It was like a SWAT team," shelter employee Ray Schulze said.

    Two weeks ago, Schulze was working in the barn at the Society of St. Francis on the Kenosha-Illinois border when a swarm of squad cars arrived and officers unloaded with a search warrant.

    "(There were) nine DNR agents and four deputy sheriffs, and they were all armed to the teeth," Schulze said.

    The focus of their search was a baby fawn brought there by an Illinois family worried she had been abandoned by her mother.

    "When it made a little noise, it sounded like it was laughing," Schulze said.

    Schulze videotaped the fawn they named Giggles during the two weeks she was there. The Department of Natural Resources began investigating after two anonymous calls reporting a baby deer at the no-kill shelter.

    The warden drafted an affidavit for the search warrant, complete with aerial photos in which he described getting himself into a position where he was able to see the fawn going in and out of the barn.


    Agents told staff they came to seize the deer because Wisconsin law forbids the possession of wildlife.

    "I said the deer is scheduled to go to the wildlife reserve the next day," Schulze said.

    It was to go to a wildlife reserve in Illinois that allows the rehabilitation of deer. Schulze said agents corralled workers near the picnic area and then set out in search of the fawn.

    "I was thinking in my mind they were going to take the deer and take it to a wildlife shelter, and here they come carrying the baby deer over their shoulder. She was in a body bag," Schulze said. "I said, 'Why did you do that?' He said, 'That's our policy,' and I said, 'That's one hell of a policy.'"
    Well the good residents of Wisconsin no longer have Giggles to fear...
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    #958

    Aug 1, 2013, 09:55 AM
    I hear fawns makes the most tender venison cuts .
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    #959

    Aug 2, 2013, 03:54 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I shook some cob webs from my head and finally recalled when this NUDGE stuff had come up before. I started an OP in 2009 about Cass Sunstein who is the architect of NUDGE ,and a former advisor (czar ) to the emperor.
    More of the wacky garbage the future Regulatory czar promotes...
    In a book he wrote last year “Nudge: Improving Decisions About Health, Wealth, and Happiness,” Sunstein argued that the main reason that more people do not donate their organs is because they are required to choose donation. You know ;they are just too lazy to be bothered to check the box on their driver's license. Or maybe it's just too much an inconvenience.

    Anyway ;
    Cass thinks that they really meant to check that box so why not assume they intended to do so and then act on that premise unless they specifically indicated that they didn't want their organs donated for transplant ?
    It's called “presumed consent.”

    You see ;you have to nudge people to do the right thing. Or in some more Orwellianism the government mandates the choice.
    Quote:
    With mandated choice, renewal of your driver's license would be accompanied by a requirement that you check a box stating your organ donation preferences,. Your application would not be accepted unless you had checked one of the boxes
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    In her review of “Nudge," the New Yorker's Elizabeth Kolbert stated that Sunstein and Thaler seem to hold "the belief that, faced with certain options, people will consistently make the wrong choice. Therefore, they argue, people should be offered options that work with, rather than against, their unreasoning tendencies. These foolish-proof choices they label 'nudges.'"
    The Sunstein Also Rises - Political Punch
    Ask Me Help Desk - View Single Post - Cass Sunstein 'There is no liberty without dependency'
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    Aug 2, 2013, 04:45 AM
    And there you have it in their own words, progressives think we're to stupid to know what's good for us therefore or benevolent government must be involved in every aspect of our lives. While preaching about 'choice' and telling us to mind our own business of course.

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