[tomder55]

The facts reveal a steady decline in crimes classified as anti-Muslim "hate crimes "since 9-11.
After the attacks that killed 3,000 Americans hate crimes against Muslims in this country peaked at 500 .
The most recent government provided data shows 115 in 2007 . Compare that to the anti-Jewish hate crimes for the same year. Those peaked at 969 in 2007.

So one would think then that the nation is Hebrew-phobic .
Somehow there have not been a rash of terrorist attacks against the country by home grown Jewish terrorists. Why is that ? When it comes to religious persecution it appears that Jews have a bigger grievience against the country based on your logic.

[speechlesstx]

In addition to those statistics, I'd be willing to bet there is a much more serious problem of black on black crime.

[excon]

The most recent goverment provided data shows 115 in 2007...

Hello again, tom:

Yeah, yeah, yeah... What do you think government polling data would show NOW, since this mosque controversy has galvanized the nation?? IF the nation WAS tolerant of Muslims BEFORE a month or so ago, they switched.

Of course, you didn't notice.

excon

[tomder55]

This isn't polling . It is raw data .Maybe I should find a reliable source .Maybe Time Magazine ?

Don't you think the way Jews are treated that they should strap cell phones to their Pepto Bismol ?

You see ; back in 2000 the Palestinians went into an orchestrated rage called the 'Al Aqsa Intifida' because the Prime Minister of Israel went to visit the Temple Mount ,a site revered as sacred by both Muslim and Jew ;and for years the press have said that it was Ariel Sharon's actions that were provocative.

Here , we oppose a symbol of triumphalism towering over sacred ground less than a decade after 3000 of our fellow Americans were slaughtered ;and we peacefully assemble . I think we have already proven what our country is about.

[excon]

Hello again,

Hmmm.. Me and Orin Hatch. Who would have thunk that? Of course, he, like me, KNOWS religious persecution first hand... Here's what he told a local TV station.

excon

[speechlesstx]

I don't know about government polling data, but opinion polling I believe shows Americans overwhelmingly against this mosque - at the proposed location. So what? You can't make the distinction between lawful peaceful dissent and hate? I can, that's why I'm not worked up over it. That, and the fact that I KNOW I'm not all those evil things I keep getting called. I don't have some inexplicable desire to hate and attack my fellow Americans of whatever stripe just because they don't think like I do and cower at my demands.

[NeedKarma]

I for one am about ready to make some liberals swallow a few teeth if they don't shut the heck up with their ignorant, bigoted, hypocritical, hateful talk.

Wow, resorting to violence? Thank god you aren't bigoted. :rolleyes:

[tomder55]

Doesn't surprise me. He was the author (along with the swimmer) of the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA) which restricted local governments rights to land use zoning .The incident that prompted that was the religiously tolerant people of predominantly Democratic Boston were opposed to a massive Mormon temple being built where it was proposed. Hatch on face would look hypocritical if he now opposed the mosque. [Of course there weren't people killing thousands of Americans in the name of Joe Smith then either . ]

The people of Boston had a legitimate gripe about the placement . It is a huge structure in a mostly residential area. They also were called bigotted for opposing it.

[speechlesstx]

Wow, resorting to violence? Thank god you aren't bigoted. :rolleyes:

NK, I've held my peace over this long enough. If the liberal bigots want to keep throwing their hateful insults around I'm more than willing to defend my honor by making them swallow a few teeth. If they'd like to be civil instead, I'm all for that, too. Would you like to be first to come down here and test me?

[NeedKarma]

Hehe... internet tough guys, they're a dime a dozen.

[Synnen]

Hey, peace!

Be easy--this is just a discussion.

No reason to get catty and mean and get the thread closed.

[NeedKarma]

Watch it or he'll slap you silly!

[Catsmine]

Watch it or he'll slap you silly!

Slapping Syn...

I'd rather slap her fundament.

[speechlesstx]

Hehe...internet tough guys, they're a dime a dozen.

Yep, that's why I invited you for a face to face. :D

NK, it doesn't matter what I say, you evade the point entirely in favor of personal attacks. You're just reinforcing my point... attacking others for no good reason is what's going to eventually lead to you swallowing a few teeth. But as you said, internet tough guys are a dime a dozen, I doubt you have the courage to say in person the things you say here.

[NeedKarma]

Yep, that's why I invited you for a face to face. :D

NK, it doesn't matter what I say, you evade the point entirely in favor of personal attacks. You're just reinforcing my point ... attacking others for no good reason is what's going to eventually lead to you swallowing a few teeth. But as you said, internet tough guys are a dime a dozen, I doubt you have the courage to say in person the things you say here.

I believe that you're the one who physically threatened people. I have never done such a thing. It's funny because you're talking about yourself.

You must be new to the internet - people on anonymous boards who know they live far away from the other people have been threatening to "beat them up" (as you have done) since the dawn of IRC.

[Wondergirl]

liberal bigots

Are there conservative bigots?

[NeedKarma]

Are there conservative bigots?

No, they are wonderful people.

[speechlesstx]

Hey, peace!

Be easy--this is just a discussion.

No reason to get catty and mean and get the thread closed.

If that's what it takes so be it, I'm fed up with being portrayed as some bigoted Islamophobe which was the point of my post. Don't expect me to play nice when I'm insulted daily for no reason whatsoever.

If the only thing coming out of this thread is just one more attempt to smear good Americans then close the thread.

[Wondergirl]

Doesn't pressuring the Muslims to move their community center to a different, farther-away location give the Taliban the right to say, "Americans are bigots"?

According to Taliban operative Zabihullah, "By preventing this mosque from being built, America is doing us a big favor. It's providing us with more recruits, donations, and popular support."

[speechlesstx]

I believe that you're the one who physically threatened people. I have never done such a thing. It's funny because you're talking about yourself.

You must be new to the internet - people on anonymous boards who know they live far away from the other people have been threatening to "beat them up" (as you have done) since the dawn of IRC.

You lecture from the safety of the internet yourself, NK. :rolleyes:

I didn't threaten anyone, I expressed a sentiment that I'm not alone in to make a point. We're fed up with being insulted and IF it doesn't stop you shouldn't be surprised IF someone smacks you in the face for it. You can only poke the bear so much before he pokes back. Got it? That wasn't a threat, it was advice. I also said, "If they'd like to be civil instead, I'm all for that, too."

It's simple advice, be civil which I prefer, or continue poking the bear and risk losing your teeth. If someone smacks you in the face for insulting them it's your own fault, you were warned.