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    #781

    Oct 28, 2012, 07:01 AM
    Unborn Victims of Violence Act

    Scott Peterson

    Scott Lee Peterson (born October 24, 1972) is an American convicted of murdering his wife, Laci Peterson, and their unborn son in Modesto, California, in 2002.
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    #782

    Oct 30, 2012, 03:01 PM
    Got quiet in here after that last post...

    Via the Archdiocese of St. Louis:



    Yep, it's that simple.
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    #783

    Oct 30, 2012, 03:07 PM
    Hello again, Steve:

    Why would a woman ask her Catholic employer to pay for her birth control?? Because, in THIS country, employers aren't allowed to discriminate against women..

    It's that simple.

    excon
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    #784

    Oct 30, 2012, 04:14 PM
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

    That still trumps your faux outrage.
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    #785

    Oct 30, 2012, 04:22 PM
    I was a young mother (on birth control) who had considered applying for a job teaching at the local Catholic school. I would have expected the health insurance plan to cover my prescription, just as the Lutheran health insurance plan did.
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    #786

    Oct 31, 2012, 05:09 AM
    Apparently you expected wrong.
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    Oct 31, 2012, 05:16 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

    That still trumps your faux outrage.
    Nobody is stopping religions from praticing whatever, but when it comes to personal issues of health and family, keep your nose out of what people have a right to do for themselves that's legal, and lawful.

    You cross a line when you tell business what they can sell or what people can buy.
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    #788

    Oct 31, 2012, 05:21 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

    That still trumps your faux outrage.

    Your judicial history seems to show that it isn't simple. If anything it seems to be complex. Hence the unfortunate state of affairs you find yourselves in at the moment.

    Tut
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    Oct 31, 2012, 05:37 AM
    Nobody is stopping religions from praticing whatever, but when it comes to personal issues of health and family, keep your nose out of what people have a right to do for themselves that's legal, and lawful.
    The only one interfering in anything is the Obama administration.

    You cross a line when you tell business what they can sell or what people can buy.
    I swear you're right out of an Orwell novel.
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    #790

    Oct 31, 2012, 05:54 AM
    Hello again, Steve,

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

    That still trumps your faux outrage.
    "No state shall.......... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

    I'm not sure which part of the Constitution trumps the other.

    Excon
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    #791

    Oct 31, 2012, 06:13 AM
    Only in the mind of libs does anyone have a RIGHT to contraceptives. Please show us how contraceptives are a human right.
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    #792

    Oct 31, 2012, 06:52 AM
    Hello again, Steve:

    Please show us how contraceptives are a human right.
    Not a HUMAN right.. The Constitution doesn't cover those.. But, I SHOWED you where they have a Constitutional right to them... Let me explain...

    Contraceptives are an integral part of a woman's health care.. If a company, or church is going to COVER men's health care, then the Constitution says they must COVER women's health care.

    It's that simple.

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    #793

    Oct 31, 2012, 06:56 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Only in the mind of libs does anyone have a RIGHT to contraceptives. Please show us how contraceptives are a human right.

    Yes that's true, but not all rights recognized in you country are human rights.

    Tut
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    #794

    Oct 31, 2012, 06:58 AM
    As if they don't already?? I can assure you their plan denies contraceptives for both men and women. Doesn't get any more equal than that.
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    #795

    Oct 31, 2012, 07:03 AM
    Hello again, Steve:

    Doesn't get any more equal than that
    That would be true, if you pretend that men and women have the same health needs. Fortunately, the Constitution is not so blind.

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    #796

    Oct 31, 2012, 07:14 AM
    And I don't believe anyone is complaining about covering contraceptives if medically necessary. But you want to go beyond 'needs' into violating religious freedom.
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    #797

    Oct 31, 2012, 07:32 AM
    Hello again, Steve:

    I don't believe anyone is complaining about covering contraceptives if medically necessary.
    That's a good argument. If you didn't need a doctors prescription to get them, and didn't have to purchase them from a pharmacy, I could buy it.

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    #798

    Oct 31, 2012, 07:46 AM
    How does it violate YOUR religious freedom to provide for females health needs? That's up to her doctor, and none of your, or the churches, business.
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    #799

    Oct 31, 2012, 07:48 AM
    That's a good argument. If you didn't need a doctors prescription to get them, and didn't have to purchase them from a pharmacy, I could buy it.
    As opposed to the phony arguments used to justify this whole whole sham, expanding access even though access wasn't an issue according to the CDC, and that it cost some idiot $3,000 a year because she'd never heard of Target or generics?

    How does it violate YOUR religious freedom to provide for females health needs? That's up to her doctor, and none of your, or the churches, business.
    Another phony argument we've been over. And over, and over, and over...
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    Oct 31, 2012, 08:06 AM
    Hello again, Steve:

    and that it cost some idiot $3,000 a year because she'd never heard of Target or generics?
    Don't shoot the messenger.

    I see you ignored my argument... Since you need a doctors appointment to get them, AND a prescription, AND follow-up examinations, AND you can only buy them from a pharmacy, it LOOKS pretty medically necessary to ME.

    Do you OBJECT to the advertisement for drugs on television?? If they were ACTUALLY medically necessary, the ads wouldn't end with, "ask your doctor". I'll betcha THOSE drugs, scooters, catheters, and diabetic testing supplies, ARE covered.

    Excon

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